HELP! Identify this if you can.

[big ed]

I won this car in a lot on E-Bay.
Are there any O gaugers here that know what this is?

It Has Small Kadee Os5-3 Couplers. ( goes around the track hooked to regular sized couplers)
Trucks are screwed to wood frame.
Real springs in the trucks.
Wood bottom with metal wire.
Brass steps all the way around. Brake wheel too.
I think the top is wood I know the cat walk is.
The four hatches may be wood also.
Plastic sides though. (I believe, as they sound like plastic)
I didn't want to scrape anything.
I'm trying to identify it.
Anyone know the manufacturer of this car? Year?
Nice old from a kit car?
More pictures in Members Gallery,
big ed's album,
Under Miscellaneous.

Tanks for helping.:D

678

[Reckers]

Try looking here:

http://www.chiptin.com/schlitz/reefers2.htm

They list a Pabst car. I don't know anything about them, but it looks promising. Best of luck!

[Reckers]

Also here:

http://www.shopwiki.com/Pabst+40'+Wood+Reefer

[big ed]

Also here:

http://www.shopwiki.com/Pabst+40'+Wood+Reefer


That one is HO. This car is a little bigger then O/27

[big ed]

Try looking here:

http://www.chiptin.com/schlitz/reefers2.htm

They list a Pabst car. I don't know anything about them, but it looks promising. Best of luck!


This one I believe is HO too.

[Boston&Maine]

Just by looking at it the car screams "kit," which is an area that I know nothing about...

[T-Man]

My guess is an Aristo Craft kit. (http://www.internettrains.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Category_Code=LSCRLSFRTREFART40S&Featured=&Product_Code=ART-46206&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IT) Compare this to what you have.
Yours could be out of production. Nice looking car though.

[big ed]

My guess is an Arista Craft kit. (http://www.internettrains.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Category_Code=LSCRLSFRTREFART40S&Featured=&Product_Code=ART-46206&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IT) Compare this to what you have.

That sure looks close to what I got T-man. But those have the large couplers. Mine has small Kadee OS5-3 couplers.
My doors an hatches don't open. Mine has a wood top and bottom, not sure about the sides. I will have to test it. Could be an all wood kit.

Why did they use the Small Kadee couplers on these?
The couplers do hook up to my O gauge (O/27) couplers but look funny. And not really secured right. I will take a picture of the difference in size.
I have been thinking about fitting it with regular O sized couplers. What do you think?

The car is just a bit bigger then an O gauge car.

I tried finding what year Aristo-Craft was founded but couldn't dig anything up.
Anyone know?

[Boston&Maine]

Why did they use the Small Kadee couplers on these?
The couplers do hook up to my O gauge (O/27) couplers but look funny. And not really secured right. I will take a picture of the difference in size.
I have been thinking about fitting it with regular O sized couplers. What do you think?

Whoever was running this on their layout must have been using a 2-rail O scale setup...

[big ed]

Whoever was running this on their layout must have been using a 2-rail O scale setup...


I never got into anything about two rail O gauge.
They run those small Kadee couplers?
Guess I will have to do a little Two Rail researching.:D

[T-Man]

The small coupler could be to scale? With plastic the kit must be within 35 years. It's a mystery for now.

[Boston&Maine]

Yea, 2-rail O uses accurately scaled couplers while 3-rail O uses the oversized ones...

[big ed]

I got this tender and can't find any info on it.

The shell is a #1130-27 and the frame says 90-8302-T03

The wheel on it contacts the center rail and when it goes around it has balls in it to make a sound.
It was advertised as sounding "like a can of beans" lol

It sounds more like a baby rattle to me.:D

Anyone know the year they made these? or any more info on them?
I never saw one before.:confused:

It has a repainted (?) Jersey Central shell. The inside is the blue color Lionel had for them. Though the letters don't look like a heat stamp,or a decal.

It came with an #8632 loco posted in the Anything New thread.


1862

[T-Man]

Ed, it goes with an 8903 also.It should be in the early Lionel supplements. My sons 8903 is strickly a DC Set.
My son has the 8632 it was in an 8644 set. The engine part list is in supplemental 32 page a63 and page 22 by Adobe reader. The electric diagram is on page 12,by adobe reader and in supplement 21.

I cannot find the tender in 1 thru 15 supps. I could look in the MPC era disc but that is the 1-9 I think.
I t goes to the 70's maybe even earlier.

You got a good deal. That's the book value but I have seen dealers sell the engine for 40 to 60.


The Tender is mechanical it is on page 175 adobe, in the 1-9 supplementals or page 4-4. The description is small round tender top. BUt extra parts are needed for the mechanical version. It first came out with the 8302 engine. It is also decsribed as SOS, SOund of Steam, I have the electronic version. It actually runs on AC.

[big ed]

Ed, it goes with an 8903 also.It should be in the early Lionel supplements. My sons 8903 is strickly a DC Set.
My son has the 8632 it was in an 8644 set. The engine part list is in supplemental 32 page a63 and page 22 by Adobe reader. The electric diagram is on page 12,by adobe reader and in supplement 21.

I cannot find the tender in 1 thru 15 supps. I could look in the MPC era disc but that is the 1-9 I think.
I t goes to the 70's maybe even earlier.

You got a good deal. That's the book value but I have seen dealers sell the engine for 40 to 60.


The Tender is mechanical it is on page 175 adobe, in the 1-9 supplementals or page 4-4. The description is small round tender top. BUt extra parts are needed for the mechanical version. It first came out with the 8302 engine. It is also decsribed as SOS, SOund of Steam, I have the electronic version. It actually runs on AC.


Is the engine #8632 strictly DC then?
I tried it with AC and it ran backwards for a moment. Then nothing?
It's got an on/off switch but it doesn't say what it is for.

The engine part list is in supplemental 32 page a63 and page 22 by Adobe reader. The electric diagram is on page 12,by adobe reader and in supplement 21.

Where do I find all this? You got a link?

[T-Man]

The 8632 is a DC motor with the Electronic e unit. The off switch locks it into netral forward or reverse. Lionel Service document link (http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/service-documents/?)

The best way to find a page is to go by the adobe reader. The pages given are for the manuals but to find it again I go bythe the adobe page.

BTW there are 44 supplements and you have to search to find something. Nothing is easy here.

[big ed]

The 8632 is a DC motor with the Electronic e unit. The off switch locks it into netral forward or reverse. Lionel Service document link (http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/service-documents/?)

The best way to find a page is to go by the adobe reader. The pages given are for the manuals but to find it again I go bythe the adobe page.

BTW there are 44 supplements and you have to search to find something. Nothing is easy here.

thanks T:thumbsup:

[T-Man]

That is the only place I have reference to that tender. This was the set I gave my son that we found with cat hair at a yard sale for 5.00. The tender is a Rio Grande . It dates to the 70's. I have a video of the sound AC sound system that replaced the wheel.

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http://www.modeltrainforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1873&stc=1&d=1267402253...http://www.modeltrainforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1872&stc=1&d=1267402253

[big ed]

Heres one for you.

Anyone know what they use this for?

I found it in a tanker rail yard.:D

Take a guess I will tell later.


2059

[tjcruiser]

Just a guess on my part ...

Looks like some sort of a service platform, like for working on the inner roof of an underpass or tunnel?

Is that an air compressor tank?

[tjcruiser]

Oh, and T-Man ...

I'm quite honored to see one of Rhode Island's proudest citizens in your Rio Grande photo!

TJ

[Reckers]

Would that be Mr. PotatoHead? I thought he was an Idaho native! As for the car, you've got me. TJ's guess was better than any I came up with.

[T-Man]

Mr. P is a Hasbro product from RI I believe. He is a recent addition. I need to find a matching Mrs. I may make him honorary mayor. He has the keen eyes and the starch to stick with the job.:)

The car must be some type of inspection platform. WIthout getting arrested try for another angle if possible.

[Reckers]

he's a great mayoral candidate: no half-baked ideas, and easy to butter up. Might get creamed in the election, though.

[tjcruiser]

Some years ago, Hasbro made a series of 6' tall Mr. Potato Head statues, each one uniquely dressed/decorated. They were placed around the state (RI) in high-profile public places.

One day, the newspaper headlines were ablaze ... one of the infamous Mr. P statues had been kidnapped. The ransom note left a few cryptic clues.

Days passed ... the public was shocked and restless. (You have to understand ... this is Rhode Island ... big news, here.)

Then, a few days later, I happened to be looking out at the big public field behind our house. Sirens. One police car ... then another ... and another. Flashing lights ... detectives ... CSI squad ... you name it.

Murder scene? Major drug bust? Jimmy Hoffa? Nope ...

They had found the infamous Mr. P in the field ... looking quite dishevelled, but otherwise not too badly scarred, given the traumatic experience.

(True story.)

I'll never look at Mr. P again, without shedding a tear for all of the horror that he's been through.

TJ

[big ed]

No body is right yet.
I will let it sit another day.

Maybe someone will know.
It amazed me when I found out what it was used for.:thumbsup:

Thats the only picture I got right now.
I had to shoot and run as they frown upon taking pictures in the rail yard. :D

Maybe someone will know.

[Reckers]

I think it's a platform for filming a train's run: a train's view of the journey.

[tjcruiser]

Re: Mr. Potato Head ...

he's a great mayoral candidate: no half-baked ideas, and easy to butter up. Might get creamed in the election, though.

Now there ya' go ... making me laugh so hard that I'm slobbering all over my computer screen again. Who's going to clean up the mess, I say ... Who's going to clean up the mess ?!?

[big ed]

No one is right yet.

I will let it sit for another day.
I thought I would get more guesses.:rolleyes:

Come on all don't be bashful take a guess.

I thought for sure some one would know out of all the experts we have here.:D

I was amazed when I was told what it was.
I never knew they had such a thing.:thumbsup:

[tjcruiser]

I'm grasping here, now ...

Not some sort of a de-icer thingy?

[big ed]

I'm grasping here, now ...

Not some sort of a de-icer thingy?

No..............


hint......> think high tech.

[tjcruiser]

You're killing us here, Big Ed ... not much in the way of clues!

Ok ... high tech ... hmmm ... some sort of antenna device ... military? (Though there's no military markings.)

[big ed]

I would like to get more guesses.

I thought Shaygetz would know.

How about B&m?

Bob? Tank?


OK I will tell tonight. I got to go there to load today. I will try to sneek a better picture of it.:cool:

[T-Man]

Because it's tamker cars I am guessing an end of train car since it is equipped with horns. So id you are reversing tankers this car is a buffer and warning.

[big ed]

Nope T.

Heres another shot I got today. Dark day the flash even went off.


2096

[Boston&Maine]

It allows locomotives to be controlled remotely... It is like a full size model train :laugh:

Yes, I cheated: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=18900

[big ed]

It allows locomotives to be controlled remotely... It is like a full size model train :laugh:

Yes, I cheated: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=18900



You win!:thumbsup:

I will send you a Big Mac with fries.:laugh:

I never knew such a thing existed.

That hooks to the engine and a guy with a control pack walks around switching the tanker cars. Wears it on his chest.
It eliminates the need for an engineer to run the Loco. All they need is two guys one to spot and one to control it.

Did you ever hear of these before? Has anyone?
I guess not since no one knew what it was.:D


I should have blocked out the numbers.:D:rolleyes:

[tjcruiser]

DCC ... all JUMBO like!

Cool. I had no idea. Ya' got most of us.

I hope the thing operates on it's own special / dedicated frequency ... NOT something shared with the automatic garage door opener down the street! Dohh!

TJ

[big ed]

DCC ... all JUMBO like!

Cool. I had no idea. Ya' got most of us.

I hope the thing operates on it's own special / dedicated frequency ... NOT something shared with the automatic garage door opener down the street! Dohh!

TJ


I was thinking the same thing!
It could do some damage if it decided to go haywire!:laugh:

The rail yard is full of Flammable,corrosive, poison and peroxide cars! Plus non hazardous cars, but gooey, oily products.


B&M cheated.........I should have blocked the Numbers.:D

But Tanks for the link B&M.:thumbsup:

[big ed]

I ran across an old box of odds and ends.
These were saved from the dumps. my Bro in law rescued them.


This ones for the Tin Men.:D:thumbsup:

These have no number markings just says Lionel Lines on them.
All metal no aluminum.

Any info on them? Lionel numbers?

7968

7969

7970

[T-Man]

Ed, you don't like junk. Just send them to me.


Is the back one yellow? It's a rare color for a 1700E.

[big ed]

Ed, you don't like junk. Just send them to me.

The orange ones look like these, but all I find are listed as red I can't find anything on orange ones.

1700e set

http://i.ebayimg.com/01/%21B83%211Z%21CGk%7E$%28KGrHqZ,%21hgEzes6NTHYBM4JD 9%28Z+%21%7E%7E0_12.JPG




The other red passenger cars, I can't find anything similar, Look at the rear cars back.
Both sets all metal, no plastic and no aluminum.

[T-Man]

Your picture shows the Lionel Jr motor clearly.


I'll take the red set before TJ sees it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes it did come in all orange and yellow is rare. 1936. It is a Lionel JR . Does it have the motor.??? I am still looking there are a few variations.



The red are two 1674 Pullmans and a 1675 observation. They go to a Penssy Torpedo style engine numbe 1588? .I thought it would be 1688 but it looks like 1588. The red pieces are not listed in Doyles.


Very Nice Find Ed, :thumbsup::thumbsup:

The orange engine is the value for the set. Starts at 100 for very good condition. The cars start at 20 for very good.


The Orange vestibule and frames make it a 1816 engine with 1817 Coaches and an 1818 observation. 1935

[big ed]

Your picture shows the Lionel Jr motor clearly.


I'll take the red set before TJ sees it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes it did come in all orange and yellow is rare. 1936. It is a Lionel JR . Does it have the motor.??? I am still looking there are a few variations.



The red are two 1674 Pullmans and a 1675 observation. They go to a Penssy Torpedo style engine numbe 1588? .I thought it would be 1688 but it looks like 1588. The red pieces are not listed in Doyles.


Very Nice Find Ed, :thumbsup::thumbsup:

The orange engine is the value for the set. Starts at 100 for very good condition. The cars start at 20 for very good.


The Orange vestibule and frames make it a 1816 engine with 1817 Coaches and an 1818 observation. 1935


I thought that is what the red ones were. 1673/74/75 came with the windup engine? I do have the tender for that set but no engine. They say the 4 wheeled tender is hard to find.

The orange ones I don't have the engine.:(

Not bad for stuff someone tossed.:D

Thanks T.

[T-Man]

Yes the red ones came with a wind up 1588 engine and the 1588t four wheel tender. The page says Mechanical engine . The orange had a whistle too!!

I DIDN'T CATCH THE SPRING THING. :rolleyes:

[tjcruiser]

Your picture shows the Lionel Jr motor clearly.

I'll take the red set before TJ sees it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Dohhh! 6:49 PM EST, and I guess I'm 2 hours and 6 minutes too late! :mad::D

Ed, those are REALLY NICE dumpster saves. I see these listed on ebay quite frequently, so I don't think they're too rare, though they appear to be highly collectible.

Yes, they have a Lionel Jr. motor, but one with a couple of its own features: I believe a mount finial pin on the top of the motor that pokes through the loco shell for motor mounting, and, I'm not sure if they did or didn't come with an e-unit.

I saw a Lionel Jr motor for one of these (with the mount finial pin) go for sale on ebay a few weeks back for around $120 !!!

I hope you can clean these up and get 'em running again, Ed ... at first glance, they appear to be quite servicable.

Cheers,

TJ

[tjcruiser]

I ran across an old box of odds and ends.
These were saved from the dumps. my Bro in law rescued them.

This ones for the Tin Men.:D:thumbsup:

These have no number markings just says Lionel Lines on them.
All metal no aluminum.

Any info on them? Lionel numbers?

http://www.modeltrainforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7969&d=1298828206

http://www.modeltrainforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7970&d=1298828231



OK, guys ... I'm confused. As I look at my Doyle prewar book, I see that the orange-and-silver streamliner is clearly a 1700E without its lead car. However, I'm confused as to what the red streamliner actually is ...

The 1700 cars each have 6 windows and 1 door. The tail (observation) car has a very rounded back face with several windows.

That's not the case with the red one ...

The red cars each have 7 windows and 2 (!!!) doors. The tail (assuming that's what I'm looking at, rather than the lead loco) here has a much more squared-off profile, with only 2 windows.

WHAT IS THAT RED STREAMLINER ???

T-Man ... you say it could be 1673/74/75, but I don't even see those listed in Doyle's book. :confused:

Help! I can't sleep ... this is gonna drive me nuts!

TJ

[T-Man]

TJ. If you have the service disk, I find them by year. The red ones are pulled by the 1588 a spring torpedo engine. The number I read from the 1936 catalog and are not in the Doyle book.

The 1700 were all orange so I went with the 1817 engine etc, in Doyle.
Also the 1700 were part red and silver. That's what I came up with.

[tjcruiser]

Thanks, T-Man!

Per a tip or two in thread this week, I just ordered one of the 1902-86 service / catalog discs on DVD ... looking forward to all of the goodies and info packed inside!

I looked through original hard-copy catalogs from 1934 and 1935 that I have, and didn't see anything there that exactly matched Ed's red streamliner. For my own interest, when I get the DVD, I'll have a look at the 1936 stuff to find the match that you indicate above.

Interestingly, my 1935 hard-copy catalog shows windup (clockwork) locos pulling streamliner cars that have only 4 wheels each, not 8.

I really appreciate you guys sharing info here ... I find it quite fun to delve into the past like this!

TJ

[T-Man]

They were "mechanical" engines page 42 or so in the 36 catalog. I may have the 34 they skip a few years in the index.

It was orange not red. Red was the other example he found online.

Interesting enough there were more sets with vestibules. The Yankee Clipper being the most common.

I like the red coaches, A good ole 1688 is just what it needs.

[Stillakid]

big ed, considering what all those "Treasures" cost you, why not splurge on this...................
http://cgi.ebay.com/LIONEL-1588-ENGINE-and-TENDER-CHICKMOBILE-MOTOR-/140515598622?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item20b761e11e


8015

8016

8017

[tjcruiser]

Nice. $102, huh? Fair, I guess, but I've seen them go for less on occassion.

I've been intrigued about the clockwork locos, but have yet to dive into one. Could be quite fun, though, to tinker with the mechanism. Some nice Ives clockwork locos out there, too.

Cheers,

TJ

[big ed]

I was watching that Jim.:D

I have the tender, I don't want to "buy" a wind up.

I rather hook a powered engine to them.

My bro in law told the guys at the dump to be on the lookout for trains since he is not there no more.:thumbsup:
He still guzzles beer with them every day after they get off work. After 35 years some habits are hard to break.:rolleyes:

Maybe one will come my way as the others did.:D

[big ed]

Here are some of his other saves.
First one is the 4 wheel tender that goes with the red passenger cars. They say that is hard to come by.
Though it looks to large to me to go with them.
I would like to know what the shiny banged up windup is. It has cast ends.
Somewhere there are 2 or 3 more passenger cars for that one.

I think the orange Pullman I got in a junk lot off e bay.

One mans junk is an others mans treasure.:D:thumbsup:
Plus I love the price......I feed him beer!:laugh:

8061

8062

8063

8064

8065

8066

8067

8068

[gunrunnerjohn]

You are for sure the Tin Man! :D

[big ed]

You are for sure the Tin Man! :D


I am more like the Junk man.:rolleyes::laugh:

TJ is the Tin Man!:thumbsup::D

[gunrunnerjohn]

OK, the Tin Junk Man. ;)

[tjcruiser]

Hey ... Fred Sanford ... :D ...

Is that shiny streamliner windup a Lionel, or might it be a Marx, Ives, etc.? Any I.D. at all?

Cheers,

TJ

Ohh ... and I see you have one of "my" little Lionel Jr. "Lionel Lines" tenders, too. Nice! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[big ed]

Hey ... Fred Sanford ... :D ...

Is that shiny streamliner windup a Lionel, or might it be a Marx, Ives, etc.? Any I.D. at all?

Cheers,

TJ

Ohh ... and I see you have one of "my" little Lionel Jr. "Lionel Lines" tenders, too. Nice! :thumbsup::thumbsup:


I answered my own question,:D
It is a Hafner...found this,

Your engine appears to be in average condition. If the wind up motor is still running the current value is $ 75-90. These were made starting in 1937. this was the M1000 set and cam in several variations. The engine shown with port hole in the side is one of the more collectible units.


8133


I see that I am missing the back cast piece to the engine. Though it might be in another box...somewhere.

[big ed]

Here is the other windup,


*** Moderator Edit ...

Ed, I deleted your link ... it was flagged as a virus threat on my end ... I don't want anyone else to have any problems.

TJ

[T-Man]

Nice Haul Ed!, hang on to those dump bins!

[big ed]

Here is the other windup,


*** Moderator Edit ...

Ed, I deleted your link ... it was flagged as a virus threat on my end ... I don't want anyone else to have any problems.

TJ


Hmmm that was from an auction house. what virus was it?
there is something in this site my security last week was flagging a blacktool kit kept coming up.

I never click on the ads on this site, I think some of them are the cause.

The next day it wasn't the blacktool kit but some other kit I forgot the name.

I think they ought to run a check on the site itself.:cool:
Since they added 300,000 ads and pop ups and all the other stuff.
I never click on them.

[tjcruiser]

Hmmm that was from an auction house. what virus was it?


I didn't hang around to find out. When I clicked on the link, my security software (MS Security Essentials) started blinking red with a warning, and I shut down IE right away. It may not have been a virus, but some other threat/risk.

TJ

[big ed]

I didn't hang around to find out. When I clicked on the link, my security software (MS Security Essentials) started blinking red with a warning, and I shut down IE right away. It may not have been a virus, but some other threat/risk.

TJ


It got your blood pumping huh?:D

It was not an auction house it was this,


Worthopedia™ - Premier Price Guide
Value your items by searching millions of prices from past sales and auctions.

Maybe it was a cookie?

When ever my security catches some thing I open it up and check out what it is catching.
your just blink red and sounds a siren?:laugh:

it doesn't tell you what it is?:confused:

[tjcruiser]

I was too scared to look. :eek: ... Seriously. The computer started doing some sort of a weird scan something-or-other ... but I don't think it was via my own security software, but rather via something on the weblink that was designed (in a devious way) to look like normal scan software. Whatever it was, it gave me the spooks. I shut it down, and got out of Dodge City...

TJ

[T-Man]

My avast detected a Trojan at the site. I remember that it was this thread and that link. Thanks! TJ!

[gunrunnerjohn]

There is a new thread running around, I just removed it from the third computer in a couple of weeks, XP (or Vista/Win7) Security 2011, it's a rogue AV application. I just got a call from someone else that appears to have the same one, so the count may be 4 before the week is out. :D

[tjcruiser]

Ed,

FYI ... I happened to see an ebay auction that offers a 1588 wind-up streamliner loco teamed with the same 3-car red streamliner passenger set that you have ... the one with the squarish back end ...

$321, 21 bids, and 30 minutes left to go in auction ... quite the collectible item ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1930s-40s-LIONEL-UNUSUAL-1588-WIND-UP-TRAIN-SET-/110684388184?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item19c54dbb58

TJ

[big ed]

Ed,

FYI ... I happened to see an ebay auction that offers a 1588 wind-up streamliner loco teamed with the same 3-car red streamliner passenger set that you have ... the one with the squarish back end ...

$321, 21 bids, and 30 minutes left to go in auction ... quite the collectible item ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1930s-40s-LIONEL-UNUSUAL-1588-WIND-UP-TRAIN-SET-/110684388184?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item19c54dbb58 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5336709723&customid=MTF&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5336709723%26amp%3Bcustomid%3DMTF %26amp%3Btoolid%3D10001%26amp%3Bmpre%3Dhttp%253A%2 52F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Fcampid%253D5336709723%2526amp%253Bcust omid%253DMTF%2526amp%253Btoolid%253D10001%2526amp% 253Bmpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcgi.ebay.com %25252F1930s-40s-LIONEL-UNUSUAL-1588-WIND-UP-TRAIN-SET-%25252F110684388184%25253Fpt%25253DModel_RR_Trains %252526amp%25253Bhash%25253Ditem19c54dbb58)

TJ

Wow I am in Z land by the time you posted.

Been hitting the sack 700 pm this week, getting up at 2 am.

Got 2100 miles on this week and another 550 tomorrow.


Mine doesn't look like them, mine has the natural weathered look to them.:D

[big ed]

Nice Haul Ed!, hang on to those dump bins!


A T man creation???

check it out,




http://cgi.ebay.com/LIONEL-O-MONGREL-2-MOTOR-12-WHEEL-ENGINE-2-COMPLETE-/200613480215?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2eb57ec717 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5336709723&customid=MTF&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5336709723%26amp%3Bcustomid%3DMTF %26amp%3Btoolid%3D10001%26amp%3Bmpre%3Dhttp%253A%2 52F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252FLIONEL-O-MONGREL-2-MOTOR-12-WHEEL-ENGINE-2-COMPLETE-%252F200613480215%253Fpt%253DModel_RR_Trains%2526a mp%253Bhash%253Ditem2eb57ec717)


edit,

I am adding a description because soon the picture will be gone......for all whom might read this in the future.:D

LIONEL O MONGREL 2 MOTOR 12 WHEEL ENGINE 2 COMPLETE
CUSTOM BUILT ENGINE WITH 2 MOTOR UNITS PRESENT, BOTH ARE WIRED. SHELL IS THE FRONT AND BACK OF 2 ENGINES. MODIFICATION AT BOILER AND SMOKE STACK. NO FRONT OR REAR TRUCKS. COW CATCHER IS MISSING ONE STEP.

It was 2 O gauge steam engines morphed into 1.

[tjcruiser]

Funky ... looks like a Siamese Twin!

[big ed]

Funky ... looks like a Siamese Twin!


Made by Dr Frankenstein.:D

[T-Man]

It does look like my work, but no. Since someone else did it, I will just have to connect three engines. Keep it on a strait track and use the reverse unit to run it.:rolleyes:

[big ed]

It does look like my work, but no. Since someone else did it, I will just have to connect three engines. Keep it on a strait track and use the reverse unit to run it.:rolleyes:


Don't look nothing like what you would do.


It is the wrong color epoxy.:laugh::thumbsup:

T mans epoxy has a different look. That stuff looks like wood putty.:confused::D

[gunrunnerjohn]

I am adding a description because soon the picture will be gone......for all whom might read this in the future.:D

LIONEL O MONGREL 2 MOTOR 12 WHEEL ENGINE 2 COMPLETE
CUSTOM BUILT ENGINE WITH 2 MOTOR UNITS PRESENT, BOTH ARE WIRED. SHELL IS THE FRONT AND BACK OF 2 ENGINES. MODIFICATION AT BOILER AND SMOKE STACK. NO FRONT OR REAR TRUCKS. COW CATCHER IS MISSING ONE STEP.

It was 2 O gauge steam engines morphed into 1.

Be creative Ed, save the picture.

I'll bet that sucker needs O100 curves to run! :D


http://www.modeltrainforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10408&stc=1&d=1307193121

[big ed]

How did you save the picture?:confused:
I am used to just picking save image but that doesn't work with e bay stuff.

[gunrunnerjohn]

I cheated and used a screen capture program after opening the large picture in the eBay gallery. I personally use Snag-It here, but there are many screen capture utilities. You can even just hit PrtScr and then paste it into Windows Paint and trim it, no need for any extra programs. ;)

[T-Man]

I printed that picture! :D

I normally right click and save.:cool:

[gunrunnerjohn]

You can't right click and save on the eBay gallery, that's what Ed was talking about.

[T-Man]

I don't have that problem. Are you talking about the listing for each subject?
The little pictures? I still can save em. When the item lising is shown and the picture is on the left, Right click will not work until you click the picture and a new window apprears. You should be able to get any picture??????

[gunrunnerjohn]

I'm talking about when you expand them to get a decent sized picture. I know you can grab the little ones.

[big ed]

Someone asked me about his train set his mom dug out of the attic.
From the eighties? He estimated the age.

Anyone know the year they first made it and the worth?

Box is a little messed up but the trains are like new. (he says)

I asked for a set number but he did not supply one.:ohwell:

10809

10810

10811

[gunrunnerjohn]

Railsounds in the 80's? Did they have it that early?

[big ed]

Railsounds in the 80's? Did they have it that early?



Well, he estimated his set by his age. He is around 40 and he got it when he was 10 or 11. so that makes it in the 80's.
I am text messaging now, I asked him to look on the box for a number.

[big ed]

Lionel # 6-31914 set. any info?

[gunrunnerjohn]

Well, it was offered until 2002 according to Lionel.

http://www.lionel.com/products/finder/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductNumber=6-31914&expandBranch=0&Keywords=&CategoryID=497&RailLineID=&CatalogId=

[big ed]

OK John you are right, I found that this was made in 2001- 2002 worth is $170 in mint shape.

I guess he was wrong on his age or when he got it?:ohwell:

[big ed]

Well, it was offered until 2002 according to Lionel.

http://www.lionel.com/products/finder/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductNumber=6-31914&expandBranch=0&Keywords=&CategoryID=497&RailLineID=&CatalogId=


Hmmm, the worth is only $170 in Greenberg's 2010 guide?

We were both posting at the same time.

[gunrunnerjohn]

No, I was posting 16 minutes in front of you. :p:p

[big ed]

No, I was posting 16 minutes in front of you. :p:p

It took me that long to post it as I was researching at the same time and messaging him too.;)

[gunrunnerjohn]

It took me that long to post it as I was researching at the same time and messaging him too.;)Sounds like a pretty thin excuse. :p:p:p :laugh:

[T-Man]

Doyle has the 8602 from 1976 to 78 Tender was Denver and Rio Grande. Most of the the other 86oo's in close numbers were NY Central. Thoufg made much later in the 90's Rarity only a 2 and worth and worth 15 tops. SO the trainsounds must be worth about 120 on your set.

Dealers woud never sell that cheep I would say at least 30.

My trolley is an 8604, same shell I think from the early 90's.

[big ed]

OK another find.
$9 bucks plus $10 to ship, no one wanted it but me, no bidders.:confused:


It measures 27" long 6" wide 6" center height and 5" high at the end beam.

Who do you think made it?

Also it looks like someone had at one time hand laid rail on it. The 2 center anti-derailer rails (?) are wired? And you see the clips sticking out on the side? What were these for?:confused:

It looks like it was for 2 rail? Rail to rail is approximately 1 1/2".

S MEN?
I wonder if it was made to run American Flyer's?
Do you think it is a American Flyer bridge?:confused:

A good find to add to my bridge collection.:D:thumbsup:

Just look at the patina on it!:D:thumbsup:


10907

10908

10909

10910

What do you think paint it or just clear coat it?
Some spend a lot of time trying to make it looked "weathered" like this one.:laugh:

[T-Man]

I don't know any commercial bridge that was made with wires. The AF bridge was only 18 inches long and had a house or beacon on top.

Maybe Standard gage AF?

It's not Marx either. I have two of them.

It may be home made, but expertly done.

Maybe a HS sheet metal class??

A good find and a nice looking bridge!:thumbsup:

[big ed]

I don't know any commercial bridge that was made with wires. The AF bridge was only 18 inches long and had a house or beacon on top.

Maybe Standard gage AF?

It's not Marx either. I have two of them.

It may be home made, but expertly done.

Maybe a HS sheet metal class??

A good find and a nice looking bridge!:thumbsup:

Thanks for the reply T.

What is HS sheet metal class?
HS = Hobby store?

I have seen these bridges before.
The bottom is open it used to have, on the bottom 2 metal strips at the ends and 2 near the middle. (side to side)
You can see where he took the 2 middle out and cut the 2 end strips and whoever did it added a board instead.
Must have sat outside some too. The board has a nice patina to it too.:D:thumbsup:

My question was more for what was run on the rail?
Whoever did it then added the rail himself. 2 rail.
See the center rails ( derailers?), I wonder why they were wired,what purpose did they serve? And those little squares sticking up off the timbers look like they were for electric too.

I am guessing S gauge?:confused:

[T-Man]

High School.
I had a class in junior high.
A bridge would be beter than a clothes hanger.

[servoguy]

With a rail separation of 2", it obviously was not built for O gauge. The two stands on the ties look like support for outside 3rd rail. I have no idea why the inside rails would be wired.

[big ed]

High School.
I had a class in junior high.
A bridge would be beter than a clothes hanger.

OH, :D
I have seen these bridges before, but no one selling them actually knows who made them.

With a rail separation of 2", it obviously was not built for O gauge. The two stands on the ties look like support for outside 3rd rail. I have no idea why the inside rails would be wired.

It is a 1 1/2" separation.
Those are de-railers I guess.
I never saw any wired like that.:confused:

[T-Man]

The extra rails look like a UCS uncoupler or actuator. Something the shoe on the truck can connect too.

[big ed]

The extra rails look like a UCS uncoupler or actuator. Something the shoe on the truck can connect too.



I guess it will remain a mystery.:confused:

Maybe someday someone will come upon this post and know what is was for.

I was thinking S but I guess not.
What is the distance between the rails for S track?

[servoguy]

The extra rails look like rails the real RRs add to bridges to strengthen the bridge.
BB

[big ed]

OK I got another bridge. :D

No markings on it, 2 red lights on top.
26 1/2" long, 5 1/2" wide, 5" to the bottom of the arch

I couldn't resist.:D

Anyone know the manufacturer?
Anyone ever see one like this?


11190

11191

[gunrunnerjohn]

Don't know who made it, but it needs paint! :D

[Artieiii]

Hmm never saw one of those. I am guessing the red lights come on when your cookies are done LOL. Sorry for the sarcasm. Maybe it's scratch built.
-Art

[tjcruiser]

Ed,

Nice suspension bridge. No clue as to mfr.

TJ

[big ed]

Hmm never saw one of those. I am guessing the red lights come on when your cookies are done LOL. Sorry for the sarcasm. Maybe it's scratch built.
-Art


It is kind of funny the way they mounted the lights.:D

I am going to add something to them.
Don't know what yet.:rolleyes:

I never saw any like these for sale, maybe it is home made?

Paint John? Alien green?:D

What about the great patina it has?

[jreid]

Didnt MArx market something like that?

[big ed]

Was doing a little organizing and came across this motor in a parts lot box.

It runs!:D

What did it come off?
Anyone know?:confused:

Notice the custom cutting someone did on the wheels, both sides.


13961

13962

13963

13964

13965

13966

[T-Man]

That is an older Lionel Scout. 1654 -4-2 Columbia Loco. 1946 Same e unit as the 221 .

Olsen link (http://pictures.olsenstoy.com/1654.htm)

[tjcruiser]

Ed,

Fuzzy recollection guess, but I'm thinking prewar 2nd-generation style 1688 streamliner. (My early-generation 1688's have the Lionel Jr. style motor.) Late 1930's, I think.

TJ

[big ed]

That is an older Lionel Scout. 1654 -4-2 Columbia Loco. 1946 Same e unit as the 221 .

Olsen link (http://pictures.olsenstoy.com/1654.htm)

Ed,

Fuzzy recollection guess, but I'm thinking prewar 2nd-generation style 1688 streamliner. (My early-generation 1688's have the Lionel Jr. style motor.) Late 1930's, I think.

TJ


Thanks
I wonder why they cut the wheels?

I wonder if somehow I can make a custom track car out of it?:rolleyes:

Check out a bunch of different ones?
They have pictures of ones I never saw.:D:thumbsup:

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/10/cool-road-rail-vehicles.html

[T-Man]

The rods were pinned in. So they cut to remove them?