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Old 02-02-2017, 11:23 AM   #141
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Dieseler;
I have that very same locomotive. Yes, it was the first double reduction geared motor made by Marx.
Yours appears in a little better condition then mine is. I do not plan to restore the shell, but do plan to fix up the motor.
I wonder if that repair takes away from the original vintage value of the Loco ?

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Old 02-02-2017, 12:03 PM   #142
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Dieseler;
I have that very same locomotive. Yes, it was the first double reduction geared motor made by Marx.
Yours appears in a little better condition then mine is. I do not plan to restore the shell, but do plan to fix up the motor.
I wonder if that repair takes away from the original vintage value of the Loco ?

Dan
What repair are you planning on doing such as just cleaning it up or ?

Cleaning it up some getting the grime off motor and lightly polishing the shell to protect its original finish in my opinion is not harming the original vintage perhaps just preserving it from further deteriorating

Would love to see your shell and motor as personally i do not often see this particular engine ..
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Old 02-02-2017, 06:58 PM   #143
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Dieseler;

I plan to completely disassemble the motor, replace the brushed, clean the armature, deep cleaning of entire motor.. If I were restoring the shell I would completely rebuild the motor.
Now having a second look at the Loco, the spark assembly is missing the wheel. Could you post a photo of your motor for comparison.

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Old 02-02-2017, 07:21 PM   #144
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I really don't think fixing the motor so it runs well will negatively effect the value. Unless it's mint like condition, it will likely just add to the value. That beeing said , most stuff , unless mint is loosing value. It's the nature of the hobby now........
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:03 PM   #145
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Its in post 140 here is another picture in this link that may show the motor better in this link under
Mercury 635 the far right you can click on it to enlarge it i cannot copy and paste picture here as its clearly copyrighted.

Link- http://www.marxtinplatetrains.com/marx_guide_locos.htm

I see yours is missing the round stone wheel which has a rod going thru it with a small brass gear on its end in that assembly is the lever the contains the flint.
I can take a picture of mine if you need to see it.

You may need a donor engine for one though as i do not think these are reproduced or with some luck
Robert Grossman Marx parts man may have one as he does carry some parts not listed just mention it for an electric #635 as the windup sparkler is different although i did not see one on the not listed list he sent me when i ordered some CV parts.


Your motor will polish out very nice as the grease and oil actually saved it from rusting out the surface rust will polish right off, your shell i wish i could say the same as that rust on it will only worsen with time in my opinion .
I lucked out as my shell was rust free.
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:26 PM   #146
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I have several parts motors, that I can get the sparker parts I'm missing. They appear the same as those on mechanical engines.
The attached picture is a restored Marx motor the way I do it.
I purchased Walt's disk with all of his Marx photos and info. A great disk for about $25.00.


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Old 02-03-2017, 07:52 AM   #147
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Here is excerpt from what i read comparing them.


This gray electric Mercury freight engine is equipped with a sparkler. The Mercury was the only electric engine Marx ever outfitted with a sparkler. It was not a good idea and was abandoned quickly. It is more common to find these engines with the sparkler guts stripped out than intact. The pressure applied by the sparkler unit made the motor overwork.

Unlike the sparklers on the clockwork motors that operated off simple gravity the switch (at the stack)

Referring to the electric below in article

On these units pressed the flint against the grinding wheel. I have two of these engines and both are very tempermental. A little too much pressure and the motor freezes. Not enough pressure and the flint doesn't engage (no sparks).
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:17 PM   #148
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:33 AM   #149
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This same motor minus the sparking unit also came in some CP locomotives. They had extra weights and came with a few more 8 wheel cars than most sets. Not the wheel base is a bit longer on these prewar DR motors.

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