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Old 09-28-2019, 10:39 AM   #11
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Old 09-28-2019, 11:11 AM   #12
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I'd like to see the MSDS for these before I used them. Ask Lee Willis about using unknown cleaners on your track.
As I recall it was simple green that Lee used.

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Old 09-28-2019, 01:49 PM   #13
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My only concern was the reaction it may have with Zinc Drivers, like on Marx vintage locomotives. I searched the reactions to Glycol on Zinc, and the results I got was it should not effect Zinc.

HOWEVER:

On Page 2 section 10 of the posted Material Safety Data Sheet, It states that ZEP, "

"Incompatibility-----Reactive with oxidizing agents, metals, acids.

My concern is that the added ingredients to the Glycol are the ones effecting metals. Does anyone have any idea if ZEP may adversely effect Zinc Drivers.
Other than that concern, it looks like a great cleaner. Once again my concern is Zinc, If you have noticed that once the new Lincoln cents, which are Copper plated zinc, are exposed to air, they rot fast. I would hate to run a loco and put it away and later take it out and the drivers were toast.

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There are enough proven track cleaning solvents that have years of track record that I'm loathe to experiment with new stuff.
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Old 09-28-2019, 08:26 PM   #15
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My only concern was the reaction it may have with Zinc Drivers, like on Marx vintage locomotives.
Zep's purple greaser contains Sodium Hydroxide (a strong lye). It doesn't react with metals such as steel. In fact the alkali base prevents rust.

But Zinc is a different story. Real world conditions, moisture in the air can change everything. From Wikipedia:

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[QUOTE=Millstonemike;2455336]Zep's purple greaser contains Sodium Hydroxide (a strong lye). It doesn't react with metals such as steel. In fact the alkali base prevents rust.


Chemical drain cleaners use sodium hydroxide (caustic soda or lye) or sulfuric acid. They are extremely corrosive to organic materials and many metals. A chemical cleaner will clear a clog quickly, but it can also burn through your clothes and skin.
That is why you don't leave the drain cleaner in for a long time.

Now it all depends on the strength of the solution Zep uses.
It is probably not as strong as the drain cleaners.
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Zep's purple greaser contains Sodium Hydroxide (a strong lye). It doesn't react with metals such as steel. In fact the alkali base prevents rust.


Chemical drain cleaners use sodium hydroxide (caustic soda or lye) or sulfuric acid. They are extremely corrosive to organic materials and many metals. A chemical cleaner will clear a clog quickly, but it can also burn through your clothes and skin.
That is why you don't leave the drain cleaner in for a long time.

Now it all depends on the strength of the solution Zep uses.
It is probably not as strong as the drain cleaners.
Sodium Hydroxide, an Alkali, is corrosive to amphoteric metals (aluminum, zinc, lead, etc.) but not steel or copper (in all but the highest concentrations, far, far higher concentration than any household product).
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My only concern was the reaction it may have with Zinc Drivers, like on Marx vintage locomotives. I searched the reactions to Glycol on Zinc, and the results I got was it should not effect Zinc.

HOWEVER:

On Page 2 section 10 of the posted Material Safety Data Sheet, It states that ZEP, "

"Incompatibility-----Reactive with oxidizing agents, metals, acids.

My concern is that the added ingredients to the Glycol are the ones effecting metals. Does anyone have any idea if ZEP may adversely effect Zinc Drivers.
Other than that concern, it looks like a great cleaner. Once again my concern is Zinc, If you have noticed that once the new Lincoln cents, which are Copper plated zinc, are exposed to air, they rot fast. I would hate to run a loco and put it away and later take it out and the drivers were toast.

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Sodium Hydroxide, an Alkali, is corrosive to amphoteric metals (aluminum, zinc, lead, etc.) but not steel or copper (in all but the highest concentrations, far, far higher concentration than any household product).

Yes and Panther's concern was with ZINC.
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Yes and Panther's concern was with ZINC.
Yes. And that was the focus of my original post; not good for zinc.

Maybe I missed your point?
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Yes. And that was the focus of my original post; not good for zinc.

Maybe I missed your point?
OK, sorry I read it wrong.

Your right, I am right , we both agree, not good for Zinc.
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