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Old 11-12-2019, 04:44 PM   #1
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Tinplate Wheel Spacing Help

I acquired a Lionel 248 electric with, what appears to be, a Lionel 253 double reduction "Super Motor". It has new roller, wheels and gears. After a clean and lube the engine runs very smooth on the bench.

The loco would run sporadically on straights and stop on 0-27 curves. I traced the problem to the wheels being to close together. I spread them a bit and it runs fine. But the gears barley mesh when the wheels move out on that side.

I'm thinking a nylon washer as a shim on the non-geared side between the wheel and the axle bearing. I'd cut a slit in the washer to pop it on the axle. But it may be tricky getting it in there as space is very tight. And I do not want to remove the wheels.

Any ideas?
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Old 11-12-2019, 04:53 PM   #2
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I have trimmed down bread loaf closures and used them for axle spacers. I got the tip from GRJ and he got it from someone else.

If you don't need bread right now, PM your address to me and I'll send you a few.

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Old 11-12-2019, 05:10 PM   #3
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I have trimmed down bread loaf closures and used them for axle spacers. I got the tip from GRJ and he got it from someone else.

If you don't need bread right now, PM your address to me and I'll send you a few.

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Worked like a charm

Now to get them out to trim them down ...
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I think it was T Man who mentioned the bread bag things here.
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:04 PM   #5
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I think it was T Man who mentioned the bread bag things here.
Odds are. I did remember a thread where wheel spacing was mentioned, but not enough to attempt a search.

We'll find out. When he hits the board, he'll see the thread calling him
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Odds are. I did remember a thread where wheel spacing was mentioned, but not enough to attempt a search.

We'll find out. When he hits the board, he'll see the calling him
I think he uses them for another fix too.
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I think that tip originally came from T-Man as I recall.
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Well the bread ties idea came from my better half , who read it online. The original use was tying electrical wires together. I collected a few. I do not believe I have used it as a wheel spacer.
So I can admit I am familiar with them but I may have suggested it. The search engine didn't help.

For wheel pressing I keep everything tight. I cannot recall ever needing more space. Maybe it was for an AF motor.
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For wheel pressing I keep everything tight. I cannot recall ever needing more space. Maybe it was for an AF motor.
This was a Lionel pre-war double reduction motor. The wheels had virtually no side-to-side play (but not tight on the bearings). It ran sporadically on the track, stalling, no high speed operation, lurching, etc. Spreading the wheels a bit completely solved the problem resulting in consistent full speed and reliable low speed operation.
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