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08-18-2019, 05:39 AM
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Yard Master
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Modern Lionel & Tinplate
Now that Lionel has ended the agreement that allowed MTH from manufacturing Tinplate under Lionel's name & logo will Lionel venture into the Tinplate world.
Does Lionel still have any of their Tinplate tooling to resurrect the brand ?
Bill
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08-18-2019, 04:42 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Rhode Island
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Scales Modeled: Prewar Lionel O ... and some dusty HO
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Good question!!!
I'd be quite curious to know!
TJ
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08-18-2019, 09:58 PM
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Station Master
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SE Pennsylvania
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Scales Modeled: O
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MTH owns all the tooling that was used for the Tinplate Traditions line.
https://mthtrains.com/news/618a
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Bob
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08-19-2019, 11:10 AM
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Engineer
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: NNJ
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Which company owns the design produced by the tooling? That is, if MTH produced tinplate under its own name using different product names would that violate Lionel's trademarks, copyrights, etc.
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08-20-2019, 04:59 AM
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Yard Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lehigh74
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That is interesting. Reading the MTH statement it sounds like the current tooling was developed by MTH and is not the original Lionel tooling. If that is the case what happened to the Lionel original tooling ?
Bill
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08-20-2019, 01:16 PM
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Engineer
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Anza, California
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My experience with tooling at GM. Once the tools are no longer in use, they are destroyed. For example, the cavities on molds are typically welded to destroy the details.
Dan
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08-20-2019, 03:02 PM
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Conductor
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Scales Modeled: O, Std. Gauge
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Question: has Lionel ever produced modern tinplate?
I was under the impression that Mike Wolf was behind pretty much all of it, even the old Lionel Classics line. Can anyone confirm? If so, I suspect we'll see more tinplate out of MTH before Lionel.
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08-21-2019, 05:05 AM
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Yard Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beachhead2
Question: has Lionel ever produced modern tinplate?
I was under the impression that Mike Wolf was behind pretty much all of it, even the old Lionel Classics line. Can anyone confirm? If so, I suspect we'll see more tinplate out of MTH before Lionel.
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Yep, the first major business decision a very young Mike Wolf made was purchasing the tinplate tooling from Jerry Williams for $150,000. This tooling allowed Mike to manufacture about 25 to 30 tinplate items. Pretty much this was the beginning of MTH.
Bill
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08-29-2019, 03:02 AM
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Yard Master
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Brooklyn, Ct.
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Scales Modeled: O
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So am I assuming correctly that no one is producing modern tinplate right now?
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08-29-2019, 08:02 AM
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Conductor
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Scales Modeled: O, Std. Gauge
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That is correct.
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