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Old 02-14-2019, 02:34 AM   #11
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With Peco code 83 you will need to do as timlang3 said.
Those Atlas rail joiners will be a very loose fit and I didn't have much luck pinching the
joiner to fit the Peco track. Even if you do the joints will need to be soldered to get good electrical connections.

Peco code 83 is much different than code 100, might as well be a different manufacture.

One tip, you're using Atlas sectional track you might think about cutting off the funky looking
first tie and once the track is laid sliding a full tie in under the track, looks much better.
You will have to cut or sand off the tie plates and spikes to do this.
You might have to sacrifice a piece of good track to get the extra ties.

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Old 02-14-2019, 10:22 AM   #12
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Well, yes, most people nip a tie or two off the end, slip on a rail joiner, and then solder them together. That's the "goof proof" method. Butt soldering the ends together without the joiner is an exercise in futility.

You can also undercut the rail, as others have suggested.

You may have noticed that the Atlas pieces don't compare well in appearance or performance with the others. Those funky end ties that allow the easy insertion of rail joiners are part of the problem.
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Old 05-10-2019, 09:50 PM   #13
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The rail hight in H0/00 Scale of tracks are in metric:
Code 100 = 2,5 mm
Code 83 = 2,1 mm
Code 75 = 1,9 mm

For joining different hight rails together Peco sells rail joiners to connect Code 100 with Code 75 only. Hight difference of 0,6 mm.
Roco from Austria is selling different hight rail joiners for use with Code 100 and Code 83 rails.
The hight difference is 0,4 mm.

If you are using Code 83 with Code 75 like myself than a hight difference of 0,3 mm is needed.
There are no railjoiners to get what will work with it but you can use the Roco different hight rail joiners with hight difference of 0,4 mm that works very well.

The US American Peco Tracks in Code 83 working well with US American NMRA RP25 Wheelsets only the european NEM Wheelsets bringing trouble to Peco Code 83 Tracks, specially the Tournout and Crossing frogs have fillings that smaller diameter wheels will not fall too deep down into the frog gaps. The European NEM Wheels have higher Wheel flanges than the NMRA RP25 Wheelsets.

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Old 05-11-2019, 05:05 AM   #14
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The only difference I've noticed is that even on new production Roco Era II passenger carriages, the wheel flanges make a very slight clicking sound as they strike the tie plates. It's barely audible unless the coach is passing nearby, but they are the only recent production coaches to do this on Code 83 track.

All other Roco, Fleischmann, Piko, ACME etc, cars and locomotives make no contact with ties or tie plates.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:41 AM   #15
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Hey Michael,

The NEM was first time established in the mid 1980's the rules of wheel flange higts became international standardby newer sold cars only until the new decade of the 1990 the manufacturers begun to change their completely productline with new wheelsets.

As example:
Piko makes the finest available spoked wheels but thei wheel flanges are different in their hight. The older production of pre 1990 has got higher wheel flanges than the past 1990 productions both are produced onto NEM criterias.

Since Roco/Atlas provided and distributed the new Code 83 Tracks, the most older Roco wheelsets made trouble to the lower 2,1 mm rail hight. The older Roco Wheelsets are desighned to run onto Code 100 - 2,5 mm perfectly.
Older Atlas Locos nd cars had been manufactured at Roco in Austria but when Roco went into their bankrupty, Atlas was in need to produce their wide range of Locos anywhere. The Atlas Track with rubber roadbed like what Roco distributed before as own creation went back to Atlas, itis still never again to get from Roco.

The NEM --> Norm of European Manufacturers gives standars to wheel flange hights in a small tolerance difference of what all is allowed.

Older European Wheelsets running with their Wheelflanges onto the rail Irons and making lot of Noise, it are desighned to use Code 100 Tracks only.

The newer produced NEM Wheels are ideal for running onto Code 83 --> 2,1 mm or as lowest rail profils onto Code 75 --> 1,9 mm.

The new Peco Code 83 - 2,1 mm Track of US Prototypes can be used with NMRA RP25 Wheelsets only.
The cause are the filling pieces inside the frogs of the Peco Code 83 Crossings or Tournouts.
The Inside Track Irons to the ties are a little bit higher, so NEM Wheels cannot run onto it.
Peco produced a Track what has same specifications like Code 70 or lower Code Numbers Tracks. You can run NMRA wheels only.

I for myself use Atlas, Roco Code 83 Tracks in addition to Peco Code 75 Tracks mostly.
Most of my european Euipment got NMRA RP25 Wheels allready.
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I connect Peco code 83 to Atlas code 83 flex track with out issues. On the Peco you need to trim the "rail spikes" at the end of the turnout, if you look close you will see an indentation under the rail to accommodate the joiner. With the flex track you need to trim down to the rail plate as well.
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