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Old 10-05-2019, 08:37 PM   #11
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Most likely a custom job. The rims are square and not flared.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:58 PM   #12
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I have no idea what the wheels would have come from, but the axles are 1689E-27 splined axles. The same ones used 1937 & later, with 12 spoke wheels. The earlier 8 spoke wheels had smooth axles # AM-84 axles. If you’re happy with the look, keep. What you have. I use 1200 grit sandpaper with the motor running, to further polish the armature faces, after initial cleaning, & reassembly.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:14 PM   #13
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Looking at the photos of the wheels, and Gerard's comment, the brass rims are the stumper. I would be inclined to say that they were a custom job. I don't know of any wheel sets that had brass rims. If in fact, that these were custom made, the person who did it, did a fantastic job, of placing those rims on existing wheels. I would leave those wheels on, making it unique, from the normal drivers. Excellent job.

This photo shows, where the one wheel doesn't have the brass rim seated, all the way down on the inner wheel. That seems to be another reason that it appears to be a custom job. Also, the bottom plate shows Lionel 027, which makes it 1937 vintage, as that was the first year for that to appear, replacing the older Lionel Jr. tags. The motor itself is what I refer to as a Type I, parallel plate motor, with the horizontal plate to attache the motor, through the running boards. There were 3 different motors used which you can find, in my PDF file, in the Torpedo thread.

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Old 10-06-2019, 01:57 PM   #14
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Another one 1688

I couldn't believe the brass! I wonder why the previous owner was willing to depart with it. He may have been a TCA member I will have to ask my middle man.

Here is the next one. Definitely not a 36.

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Old 10-06-2019, 02:28 PM   #15
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The tender

The tender had no whistle or stamped numbers. The rear truck has a coil uncoupler.. A rather clean piece.

The inside needed paint.

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Old 10-06-2019, 04:54 PM   #16
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I edited post #13, to add a photo, and additional info, about the motor, and the brass rims. This latest posting shows what I determined to be a 1939 issue, because of the motor used, and the way it is mounted. The body is 1937 "Thick Casting" with the firebox doors added to inside of the cab. This continued from 1937-1942, at the end of production. This motor is referred to as a Die Cast motor, and is identical to the Postwar 1654 motor. It gets mounted with 2 1/4" screws (2), that pass through the body, from the side, as compared to the earliest motors which were mounted through the running boards. This last motor is what I call the Type III. The other motor, between these two, is Type II, which used a single 2 1/4" screw, back near the cab, that passed through the body, and was the same as a variation of a 1664 motor. The 1664 motor, had two versions of mounting.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:17 PM   #17
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I always thought the cast motor was much like a sleigh.

I had a spare wheel but I changed the axle with two different wheels. All it needed was some cleaning.

Thanks for the information.

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It is never a good sign to have this piece fall out
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:54 PM   #18
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A good shot of the motor frame;

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The reverse unit needed another drum but all the contacts were in good shape

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The pawl and armature cleaned up
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:28 PM   #19
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I’m surprised you couldn’t use Epoxy, to rebuild that E unit drum. I have had similar results, with drums disintegrating. In most cases, it makes trouble shooting, easy.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:00 PM   #20
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Not this time. Both engines are running well.
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