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Old 10-09-2018, 06:22 PM   #21
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T-Man, although I've worked on a few AF locomotives, including their reversers, I don't own any and don't recall their dimensions relative to the Lionel or Marx units which are ~2" in height.


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Old 10-09-2018, 08:37 PM   #22
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Thanks, Doc.
The height of the Marx reverser is the same as the Lionel (less lever), so it is not a fit, either.

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Also, the Marx unit will not operate upside down, at 90 degrees or even 45 degrees from upright. I don't know about other brands of e-units.

In case anyone wanted to tilt the Marx unit ...
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:53 PM   #23
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I played around with my 248, and the only way to get a Lionel E unit, was to have it laying flat, where the Plunger was laying horizontally, and the lever was on top. It was a really tight fit, and I doubt it would work in that position. There just not enough room inside the body, to get enough clearance, without major cutting.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:39 PM   #24
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My olde with no lever or insulating plate will fit. The coil wires will have to be moved to the side towards the engine. I am using the opposite side of the lever pendulum assy. This is the 248. I do have a 252 but haven't dragged it out yet.


Next step is to make a holding bracket.


After that I will have to decide if I want to do it.


They can be mounted sideways. All you need is a return spring.


I cannot remember where I saw it
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I have a perfect subject.






The American Flyer reverse unit








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Possible solution

I think I have the solution, with the Correct E-unit. The 1946 Model 726 & 671 loco’s used a horizontal E unit, that had a spring to push the plunger back into position, to effect the ratcheting motion during the cycling of E unit. The part numbers, although identical Units, are 726-51 or 671-50. I checked real quick, and found a price abt. $29, from Trainz. You can search other venders for a cheap price. I used an early Prewar E unit as a test fit, and this should work. THE CHEAPEST PRICE IS FROM TRAINZ.COM, OTHERS ARE IN $65 range. If direct from Trainz, cost is $24.99 + shipping. They also have one listed on eBay for $28+, and shipping.
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Frame modification

To make the intended E unit fit, so the body has clearance to mount to frame, you need to take some metal off the frame, (approx. 1/8”), so the body can close down on the frame. Note the Red Arrow, and you need to take enough off for the E unit to sit far enough back.
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:46 AM   #28
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MSMike, T-Man and Doc, thanks for continuing to think this issue through.

After T-Man mentioned the word "spring", I did some Googling and spotted many references to this "E" unit. Somewhere along the line I acquired a bunch of "E"unit parts. One included a plunger assembly with a return spring. At the time, I didn't know how it was used so I totally disassembled it. The spring is probably with my extra springs.

When I end up with a 248 in the future, I intend to install the horizontal unit as described by Doc.

This is a good thread to file away.

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Swede, I thought I remembered, there was an E unit that worked in the horizontal position. After placing the standard E unit, as the photos showed, I started looking for the E unit that worked in the horizontal positin. Sure enough, I stumbled across the 1946 version used in the 671 & 726 locos. That is a definite work around to add an E unit to some Prewar “Electric” locos.
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:40 PM   #30
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Just seeing all of this. Very interesting thread, guys. Good ideas. I had forgotten about horizontal e-units with the return spring.

Nice brainstorming, guys!!!

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