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This is a different motor. Are we talking Marx or your 259?
All the motor in the pic needs is a new wheel, the tarnished one slips right off. No wheel puller
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This is a different motor. Are we talking Marx or your 259?
All the motor in the pic needs is a new wheel, the tarnished one slips right off. No wheel puller
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Huh???
Do you guys know the famous Abbott and Costello baseball routine? Where everyone is surely confused ... "Who is on First. What is on Second. I Don't Know is on Third ... I throw the ball to first base, whoever it is grabs the ball, so the guy runs to second. Who picks up the ball and throws it to what. What throws it to I don't know. I don't know throws it back to tomorrow--a triple play."
Well ... I feel like one of those confused guys.
T-Man ... you've got a new/old 259 ... a LIONEL 259. Why are you and Jim talking about a Marx motor? And those are two different motors in the pics above, right?
Can one of you guys PLEASE set Abbott and Costello and ME straight on who/what/I-don't-know is actually going on in this thread ...
TJ
Do you guys know the famous Abbott and Costello baseball routine? Where everyone is surely confused ... "Who is on First. What is on Second. I Don't Know is on Third ... I throw the ball to first base, whoever it is grabs the ball, so the guy runs to second. Who picks up the ball and throws it to what. What throws it to I don't know. I don't know throws it back to tomorrow--a triple play."
Well ... I feel like one of those confused guys.
T-Man ... you've got a new/old 259 ... a LIONEL 259. Why are you and Jim talking about a Marx motor? And those are two different motors in the pics above, right?
Can one of you guys PLEASE set Abbott and Costello and ME straight on who/what/I-don't-know is actually going on in this thread ...
TJ
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Ha ha ... with two different old horses, I guess!
(Uhhh ... the TRAINS ... not you guys, of course!)TJ
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T-Man,
259 shell parts don't look too bad at all ... no major dents / twists. And most tabs still intact? Things should clean up / prime / paint quite nicely.
Take a close look at that frame ... the mid section is cut back left and right quite aggressively, to the point where there's a weak spot at about 2/3 length that I think often allows the frame's aft end to bend down, often giving the cab on these 259's a very "drooped down" look. It was the case with mine, for sure. I gently straightened the frame as much as possible, and took care with the cab re-install to give it better alignment with the boiler, and a more pleasing look, in my opinion.
Do you have the weight that goes inside the steam chest? And you may recall that some (but not all) 259's had a 2nd weight in the cab ... I'm guessing not your older 259, though.
Keep us posted!
TJ
259 shell parts don't look too bad at all ... no major dents / twists. And most tabs still intact? Things should clean up / prime / paint quite nicely.
Take a close look at that frame ... the mid section is cut back left and right quite aggressively, to the point where there's a weak spot at about 2/3 length that I think often allows the frame's aft end to bend down, often giving the cab on these 259's a very "drooped down" look. It was the case with mine, for sure. I gently straightened the frame as much as possible, and took care with the cab re-install to give it better alignment with the boiler, and a more pleasing look, in my opinion.
Do you have the weight that goes inside the steam chest? And you may recall that some (but not all) 259's had a 2nd weight in the cab ... I'm guessing not your older 259, though.
Keep us posted!
TJ
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T-Man,
Glad to see you're gearing up for your 259E revival. As far as weights for the 259 go ...
My understanding (via earlier discussions with B&M) is that EARLY 259's had a weight in the steamchest (ONLY), and that later 259's (like mine) had two weights: one in the steamchest, and an "add on" weight inset into the floor of the cab.
Check out my 259E thread ... you'll see several photos that show the weights:
http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=3748
The weight that is WEDGED shape is the one that gets mounted on the inside floor of the cab. The half-round "bump up" faces up, and the screw that holds the weight in place is the very same screw that holds the rear motor flange to the loco frame.
The steamchest weight slips inside the steamchest from the back (open) face. It was originally held in place by a rivet (axis running fore-and-aft), but I drilled this out for the repaint, and replaced it with a stainless screw and locknut.
The forward weight is nearly symmetrical top-to-bottom, but one edge has a bit of a recess to it. I forget if this recess faces up or down, but I'll try to remember to look on my loco to see.
A pic of the weights is below, but you might see more from other pics on my thread.
Do you still need front and/or rear trucks for your 259? I see them occasionally on ebay.
Cheers,
TJ
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More clarification ...
The forward weight has two parallel protrusions (T's, really) that face aft. Here you're looking at the aft (rear) face of the weight. As I said, I forget if that subtle recess along the edge faces up or down.
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Here's a better shot of the rear weight showing its wedge shape:
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Glad to see you're gearing up for your 259E revival. As far as weights for the 259 go ...
My understanding (via earlier discussions with B&M) is that EARLY 259's had a weight in the steamchest (ONLY), and that later 259's (like mine) had two weights: one in the steamchest, and an "add on" weight inset into the floor of the cab.
Check out my 259E thread ... you'll see several photos that show the weights:
http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=3748
The weight that is WEDGED shape is the one that gets mounted on the inside floor of the cab. The half-round "bump up" faces up, and the screw that holds the weight in place is the very same screw that holds the rear motor flange to the loco frame.
The steamchest weight slips inside the steamchest from the back (open) face. It was originally held in place by a rivet (axis running fore-and-aft), but I drilled this out for the repaint, and replaced it with a stainless screw and locknut.
The forward weight is nearly symmetrical top-to-bottom, but one edge has a bit of a recess to it. I forget if this recess faces up or down, but I'll try to remember to look on my loco to see.
A pic of the weights is below, but you might see more from other pics on my thread.
Do you still need front and/or rear trucks for your 259? I see them occasionally on ebay.
Cheers,
TJ
More clarification ...
The forward weight has two parallel protrusions (T's, really) that face aft. Here you're looking at the aft (rear) face of the weight. As I said, I forget if that subtle recess along the edge faces up or down.
Here's a better shot of the rear weight showing its wedge shape:
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:laugh: Anytime, T-Man ... it's the least I can do to reciprocate for all of the great tips you've passed along to me and others!
Let me know if you need more detailed dimensions or photos of the weights at any point.
Cheers,
TJ
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It might be on the inside?
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T-Man,
I LOVE it! Nice trim details ... handrails, journal boxes, "L" insignia. A perfect mate for your 259E. Is there a nameplate in the small, inset field on the sides of the tender?
Your round "L" insignia looks to be in great shape. As a side note, I had to replace the pair on my 259E loco. Repros are available, but they are stick-on, rather than tabbed on. I wasn't too pleased about that.
(I just stripped my 1689T tender -- for my 259E -- down to bare metal today. My Dremel kick the @ss out of the spider-web rust-veins ... gone ... history! I polished up the journal boxes, too ... but ... 6 are brass colored, 2 are nickel colored. I think they were all nickel-plate over brass at some point, but most of the nickel has worn away. I tried to de-nickel the remaining two, but it's melded on to the underlying brass with some super-duper atomic bond thing going on!)
Are you on the hunt for front and rear trucks for the 259? If so, I'll keep my ebay eyes open for you.
Cheers!
TJ
I LOVE it! Nice trim details ... handrails, journal boxes, "L" insignia. A perfect mate for your 259E. Is there a nameplate in the small, inset field on the sides of the tender?
Your round "L" insignia looks to be in great shape. As a side note, I had to replace the pair on my 259E loco. Repros are available, but they are stick-on, rather than tabbed on. I wasn't too pleased about that.
(I just stripped my 1689T tender -- for my 259E -- down to bare metal today. My Dremel kick the @ss out of the spider-web rust-veins ... gone ... history! I polished up the journal boxes, too ... but ... 6 are brass colored, 2 are nickel colored.
I think they were all nickel-plate over brass at some point, but most of the nickel has worn away. I tried to de-nickel the remaining two, but it's melded on to the underlying brass with some super-duper atomic bond thing going on!)Are you on the hunt for front and rear trucks for the 259? If so, I'll keep my ebay eyes open for you.
Cheers!
TJ
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