hello, I dont have a clue about trains, but I've had these for 20 years, the first group is made by Fleishman model # 1366 ( 8 piece ) I think it was made in 1954. they were operatinal last time i ran them in 1993. The second group is made by Marklin model #24058 ( 5 piece ) this one also was probably made in the early 50's it operates as well. Please help with info thank you.
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