Am looking for a frame for a pre-war # 528(?).....not sure of the exact #; it's the 2-4-2 with the orange stripe on sides of frame; then frame steps down toward the cow catcher. Frame is missing forward of the point of where frame steps down. Anyone making frames these days...? Thanx...Charlie.
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There is no #528 that I know of do you mean #228 maybe?
Can you post a picture of what you have?
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I think he means the early 258... The cow catchers are always breaking on these
Loco, this should solve your problem:
Notice that the first picture shows two different styles... Maybe you could contact the seller for more information...
EDIT: Whoops, it looks like you need more then just the cow catcher
Loco, this should solve your problem:
- http://cgi.ebay.com/Lionel-257-258-rpe-Repair-Pilot-epoxy-1-Part-/180547188467?pt=Model_RR_Trains
- http://cgi.ebay.com/Lionel-257-258-repair-pilot-epoxy-/180542532219?pt=Model_RR_Trains
Notice that the first picture shows two different styles... Maybe you could contact the seller for more information...
EDIT: Whoops, it looks like you need more then just the cow catcher
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Just as a side note, I restored a somewhat similar 259 recently. When I had the loco fully disassembled, I was amazed at how weak and flimsy the frame was in it's mid-length area, in way of where the boiler shell side panels tuck in. Not much meat designed into the frame there, and as such, it had poor bending and torsional strength.
I feel your pain!
Good luck,
TJ
IMPORTANT -- If I recall from my Doyle book, there are TWO completely different types of 258's. One is a near-clone to the 259, and the other is quite different. So, if you shop for 258 parts, make sure you understand which loco type you're hunting for.
I feel your pain!
Good luck,
TJ
IMPORTANT -- If I recall from my Doyle book, there are TWO completely different types of 258's. One is a near-clone to the 259, and the other is quite different. So, if you shop for 258 parts, make sure you understand which loco type you're hunting for.
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Charlie,
I looked in my Lionel index book (Doyle). The earlier 258 (circa 1930) was a 2-4-0, so I suspect that's NOT the one you're looking for. The latter 258 (circa 1941) was a near clone to the 259's which were produced in several forms in the 1930's.
You say your loco: "it's the 2-4-2 with the orange stripe on sides of frame; then frame steps down toward the cow catcher."
Several Lionel locos fit this bill, but I don't think the latter 258 or the 259's were made with an orange stripe. You might have a 262 which is a 2-4-2 that did have an orange stripe (in some production), or perhaps a 260 which had a cream-colored stripe.
The boiler piping on the locos above are all different, and an easy way to identify which is which.
Make sure you identify your loco properly before hunting for frame parts to scarf in.
For your reference, the link below tracks the restoration of my 259, including several pics of the frame when components were disassembled ...
http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=3748
One other option for repair ... several guys on the forum have had great success using a product called "FastSteel". Stillakid describes it as "It's a steel-reinforced epoxy putty stick. It can be drilled, tapped, machined, ground, filed, and painted after 60 minutes."
http://www.polymericsystems.com/epoxies-adhesives/epoxy-putty-sticks/faststeel.htm
Regards,
TJ
Charlie,
I looked in my Lionel index book (Doyle). The earlier 258 (circa 1930) was a 2-4-0, so I suspect that's NOT the one you're looking for. The latter 258 (circa 1941) was a near clone to the 259's which were produced in several forms in the 1930's.
You say your loco: "it's the 2-4-2 with the orange stripe on sides of frame; then frame steps down toward the cow catcher."
Several Lionel locos fit this bill, but I don't think the latter 258 or the 259's were made with an orange stripe. You might have a 262 which is a 2-4-2 that did have an orange stripe (in some production), or perhaps a 260 which had a cream-colored stripe.
The boiler piping on the locos above are all different, and an easy way to identify which is which.
Make sure you identify your loco properly before hunting for frame parts to scarf in.
For your reference, the link below tracks the restoration of my 259, including several pics of the frame when components were disassembled ...
http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=3748
One other option for repair ... several guys on the forum have had great success using a product called "FastSteel". Stillakid describes it as "It's a steel-reinforced epoxy putty stick. It can be drilled, tapped, machined, ground, filed, and painted after 60 minutes."
http://www.polymericsystems.com/epoxies-adhesives/epoxy-putty-sticks/faststeel.htm
Regards,
TJ
TJ.....
I believe mine is a 2-4-0. Sorry for the uncertainty, but have not seen it in a while. Just thought about it while on line at my girl's house, where I have my 'puters. I know for sure that it has the orange stripe on the frame. So it must be the earlier 258 that's a 2-4-0. Have had it for many years in hopes of finding a "beater" with a good frame...or a repro frame. Only now did I remember this project while logging on to this great forum....I guess E-communicating is good for the mind.(Wanted to add a smiley here, but it went up near title...?)
Thanx for all the input, guys.
Charlie.
I believe mine is a 2-4-0. Sorry for the uncertainty, but have not seen it in a while. Just thought about it while on line at my girl's house, where I have my 'puters. I know for sure that it has the orange stripe on the frame. So it must be the earlier 258 that's a 2-4-0. Have had it for many years in hopes of finding a "beater" with a good frame...or a repro frame. Only now did I remember this project while logging on to this great forum....I guess E-communicating is good for the mind.(Wanted to add a smiley here, but it went up near title...?)
Thanx for all the input, guys.
Charlie.
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Call me skeptical, but you could easily be referring to a postwar engine. A frame could easily be a shell. A few scout engines had orange stripes in the 2-4-0 set. Unless you are sure a picture would be nice.
BTW Welcome to MTF.
"Old" is an easily mistaken reference here. For you it could be 20 years, to me it's 60. Then it will be 65 when I reach 60 etc.
BTW Welcome to MTF.
"Old" is an easily mistaken reference here. For you it could be 20 years, to me it's 60. Then it will be 65 when I reach 60 etc.
I'm not sure if the Scouts had a step-down frame(?); plus their motors were quite different than earlier models.
TJ: Didn't see a "finished" picture amidst all those depicting your heroic endeavor to resurrect that sad 259E.....done yet...?
The engine I have is all cast, no folded metal as on your 259E. I think you were right...it's a 258. Will check it tom'w.
Again, thanx for all the input, guys.
Charlie.
TJ: Didn't see a "finished" picture amidst all those depicting your heroic endeavor to resurrect that sad 259E.....done yet...?
The engine I have is all cast, no folded metal as on your 259E. I think you were right...it's a 258. Will check it tom'w.
Again, thanx for all the input, guys.
Charlie.
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Charlie,
Some prewar was tinplate, some was cast. Post a photo or two of yours, and we can likely identify it for you.
Pics of my 259E before, during, and after restoration are in the thread link above. But since you asked, I'll happily show another "baby picture" here, as I am the proud father, and all that! (Consider this another cigar handed out!)
TJ
Ohh ... and T-Man ... I like to live by the phrase a friend of mine often said ... "If you didn't know how old you were, how old would you be?"
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Some prewar was tinplate, some was cast. Post a photo or two of yours, and we can likely identify it for you.
Pics of my 259E before, during, and after restoration are in the thread link above. But since you asked, I'll happily show another "baby picture" here, as I am the proud father, and all that! (Consider this another cigar handed out!)
TJ
Ohh ... and T-Man ... I like to live by the phrase a friend of mine often said ... "If you didn't know how old you were, how old would you be?"
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