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I have 2 Bachmann Berkshire 2-8-4 locos. Both have dcc on board. I want to put in sound. How do I do it? Can I do it?
My layout it is just dc right now. I will be looking at upgrading to dcc sometime in the future. Will sound work for me right now? Should I wait to have dcc then put in sound?
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Some brands of DCC equipped locomotives will emit sound on D.C. power.
I'm not sure if that applies to aftermarket installs.
 

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The sound comes from the poorly named in my my opinion dcc sound decoder which both controls the motor and typically lights, as well as makes appropriate sounds for the engine. And there are lots of options, that is manufactures. There are also kinds or types. For example there are total replacement types, and socketed types. But this is where my knowledge starts to fall off I can't say which is required for your model, make. Two other brands are tcs wowsound and sound traxx tsunami ... on their websites are I believe tables to match your engine with sounds. Then you have to pick a board that will go in the existing. If there are socket that's one approach and the other is replacement. You may need a good soldering iron, thin wire , speaker, solder, leds and resistors. I have done this one time only with a soundtraxx product. I didn't think it was too bad but I had most of that laying around. Many of these sound decoders are dual mode now and emit sounds when running on dc. And that's about all I know. (Well and esu requires programmer unless the sounds are pre installed... I think)
 

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(Well and esu requires programmer unless the sounds are pre installed... I think)
If they come blank you will need the programmer but there are a few sites you can order programmed ESU decoders from. If you are buying just one or two it will be fine to buy them preprogrammed with the right sound file then use either CVs or DecoderPro to set the decoders programming as you need. But if you are planning to have all ESU decoders it is worth it to pick up a Lokprogrammer.

IronManStark, do you have the instruction manual? It should say what DCC board type will fit, be it 8 pin, 21 pin MTC etc. From what I saw these can be purchased with sound already in them and it is soundtraxx based so they are likely your easiest option if you can find what they came with from the factory. They should support DC.
 

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If they come blank you will need the programmer but there are a few sites you can order programmed ESU decoders from. If you are buying just one or two it will be fine to buy them preprogrammed with the right sound file then use either CVs or DecoderPro to set the decoders programming as you need. But if you are planning to have all ESU decoders it is worth it to pick up a Lokprogrammer.



IronManStark, do you have the instruction manual? It should say what DCC board type will fit, be it 8 pin, 21 pin MTC etc. From what I saw these can be purchased with sound already in them and it is soundtraxx based so they are likely your easiest option if you can find what they came with from the factory. They should support DC.


I will look into the manual to find that out. From what I was told when I bought these. They do have dcc installed in them. I also am learning that maybe this might be a project I pay to have done. Lol


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I missed the part where you said they have DCC, you could always open it up to see which type you need however what I could find it looks like the decoder is in the boiler. That makes disassembly a little more annoying.
 

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I missed the part where you said they have DCC, you could always open it up to see which type you need however what I could find it looks like the decoder is in the boiler. That makes disassembly a little more annoying.


I have had my 1218 apart. I believe the decoder is in the tender. I am having a hard time finding my manuals... lol I have had these for about 6-7 years now. I guess I should of got the ones with sound


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Here is the inside of my tender. I know I can put a speaker in. I just don’t know what I need.
 

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you've got some kind of plug in board there, if it has sound there i don't know. but it kinda looks like it does. (also speaker underneath) OR -- in theory you buy a plugin with sound that matches that has that plug... pop it and that's it.

get one with dual model DC/DCC.

I mean this plug btw
 

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OK so looks like you need a 8 pin sound decoder and a 28mm round speaker. Soundtraxx sells the OEM decoder and speaker setup for this but the decoder doesn't include a plug so you would need to either buy one or retrofit your current plug onto this decoder.

Decoder
https://soundtraxx.com/products/tsunami2-digital-sound-decoders/tsu-2200/

Speaker and enclosure
https://soundtraxx.com/accessories/speakers/round-speakers/28mm-round-speaker/
https://soundtraxx.com/accessories/speaker-baffles/28mm-baffle-kit/

I don't know much about how to set these to the right sound type but I think it is all changing a CV. Without a DCC system that will be a little tricky.

My suggestion would be to go with either a ESU Loksound Select or a V5. You can buy them pre programmed from a few places like www.TonysTrains.com or http://www.sbs4dcc.com/.

I am going to use SB4DCC for this but Tonys Trains or maybe others can do the same.

Decoder, just put your sound project name in the space provided. eg. 95478
https://store.sbs4dcc.com/ESU58420LokSound5StandardNMRADCCSoundDecoder-NEM6528-pinWiredP.aspx

Speaker
http://store.sbs4dcc.com/ESU50333Speaker28mmRound4ohm1wattw/SoundChamber.aspx

Sound projects can be found at http://projects.esu.eu/. I am not seeing the 2-8-4 Berkshire but I did find a 4-8-4. They only have a v4 sound file but it will be fine.
 

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you've got some kind of plug in board there, if it has sound there i don't know. but it kinda looks like it does. (also speaker underneath) OR -- in theory you buy a plugin with sound that matches that has that plug... pop it and that's it.

get one with dual model DC/DCC.


I know these locos came with sound & without. Mine came with out. I figured it would be a simple plug n play type deal. I just can’t find any info on what sound decoder/ speaker I need. I know from factory the ones with sound would work on dc setups. I wish I had a store around me that I could walk in & talk to about it. I have called bachmann , however that lead me to be told “ you would have to look online to find it....”
uhhh I have!! Lol
Thanks for all the help so far guys!! This by far has been the most help! I do appreciate it !!


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Ok so I would need a tsunami 2200 decoder , a sound board, and a speaker? Correct???


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Just the decoder and the speaker. You may also need a nmra 8 pin plug, unless you salvage the one already in the unit.
 

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What is the model # of you loco? Need to find out if it's sound ready.... in which case there may be a plug in sound board.

ADDED: Looks like zerodameaon already told you what you need in post #11.
 

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previous reply may have been lost in ether but i used a soundtraxx plug-n-play as a total board replacement, albeit for diesel and it worked. just take care for leds to supply resistors -- lesson learned.

i used a wowsound speaker -- as this was what was on hand the local (modeltrainstuff -- aka MB Klein) store, when it was open to the public.

you have to match the overall model to the sounds you want though to get the specific model of the board of interest.
 

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OK so looks like you need a 8 pin sound decoder and a 28mm round speaker. Soundtraxx sells the OEM decoder and speaker setup for this but the decoder doesn't include a plug so you would need to either buy one or retrofit your current plug onto this decoder.

Decoder
https://soundtraxx.com/products/tsunami2-digital-sound-decoders/tsu-2200/

Speaker and enclosure
https://soundtraxx.com/accessories/speakers/round-speakers/28mm-round-speaker/
https://soundtraxx.com/accessories/speaker-baffles/28mm-baffle-kit/

I don't know much about how to set these to the right sound type but I think it is all changing a CV. Without a DCC system that will be a little tricky.

My suggestion would be to go with either a ESU Loksound Select or a V5. You can buy them pre programmed from a few places like www.TonysTrains.com or http://www.sbs4dcc.com/.

I am going to use SB4DCC for this but Tonys Trains or maybe others can do the same.

Decoder, just put your sound project name in the space provided. eg. 95478
https://store.sbs4dcc.com/ESU58420LokSound5StandardNMRADCCSoundDecoder-NEM6528-pinWiredP.aspx

Speaker
http://store.sbs4dcc.com/ESU50333Speaker28mmRound4ohm1wattw/SoundChamber.aspx

Sound projects can be found at http://projects.esu.eu/. I am not seeing the 2-8-4 Berkshire but I did find a 4-8-4. They only have a v4 sound file but it will be fine.


Wow!! Thanks for the info. I did not see this reply right away.
Thanks again guys! This gives me more than enough info on what I need. Now to watch a vid on how to install the goodies!! Lol


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You can purchase ESU decoders that already have the speaker included and attached to the card Makes it a simple matter of plugging it into your NEM 652 socket.

Most retailers that sell ESU decoders have the programmer and will program the appropriate sound file at no cost to the customer.

When you select one of the Loksound decoders there is sometimes a dropbox available that will list the available sound files.

Sometimes you will have to visit the ESU website and find the number of the sound file and enter that file number in a box on the order page so the retailer knows which file to program to the decoder.
 
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