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Good Morning Everyone,

When the new Lionel 2020 catalog was released online, I tried to view it, but like everyone else I couldn't get it to load. So I instead listened to the Notch 6 podcast catalog review between Derek and Ryan Kunkle of Lionel. I was happy about the new Freedom Train/Preamble Express items including the new auxiliary water tenders. During the Notch 6 presentation, Ryan stated that the auxiliary tenders would be from NYC Mohawk tender tooling. That was great, because the both the real Freedom Train T1 and the following Chessie Steam Special both used this style tender. The other auxiliary tenders are either fantasy/what if for this tender style. Then I was able to view the catalog, there was a discrepancy between the description and the catalog illustrations. The description says the tenders are 12 inches long, yet the illustrations clearly show a shorter tender than the Mohawk tender should be. I emailed Lionel yesterday about this and asked what is actually going to be produced. Haven't heard back yet, but it's only 1 day. Then, today I watched the Lionel Ryan & Dave show which was their Facebook video presentation of the new catalog. When it came to the auxiliary tenders, Ryan mentioned somewhat quickly that Lionel doesn't have the tooling for the "correct Mohawk tenders" so they are going with a shorter tender that is "close".(in reality it looks like a Hudson tender that isn't "close". So now the product is already different from the podcast description. As far as the tooling, none of the newer TMCC/Legacy Mohawks have the correct tender for the Freedom Train/Chessie auxiliary tender, but where is the tooling from the late 90's or early 2000's that have the correct style Mohawk tender? I have all the other scale Lionel Freedom Train items which are great but I'm ticked off over this tender screw up and no, I will not purchase one. Just wanted to let those who might be interested in purchasing one of the Freedom Train/Chessie tenders that so far you won't be getting a scale Mohawk tender.
 

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Lionel shows a list price if $350 for that tender. At any given time you can find Pullmor Mohawks on the auction sites for around 300 bucks that use the correct tender. If it were me I would just buy a complete engine and repaint the tender.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lionel-6-18009-New-York-Central-Mohawk-4-8-2-L-3-Steam-Locomotive-Tender-LN/324031313578?hash=item4b71c576aa:g:peQAAOSw9fZeD2hn:sc:USPSPriority!14559!US!-1

https://marketplace.trainzauctions.com/offer/details/Lionel-6-18009-New-York-Central-Mohawk-4-8-2-L-3-Steam-Locomotive-&-Tender-LN-8673529

Another option is to contact North Lima or Perrys Hobbies to see if they have any shells or complete tenders. Both have a large supply of Lionel and MTH old parts.
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Thank you for this information. Someone had noted on this or another forum that the correct Mohawk tender tooling had once been used by Lionel but way back when in the 90s and they were not clear whether they had it any more. Obviously they don’t.

This latest catalog mess up does not inspire confidence. The illustrations appear to be close to what Lionel intends to produce but the text tells a different story. I can’t understand how an initial announcement of scale-size tenders could be made and then recanted so quickly. The left hand appears not to know what the right is doing.

Recent experience (the VL Challenger sound issue) showed that Lionel catalogs have to be read carefully for what they do and don’t say. On this occasion, I am not happy to find that the catalog was confusing and inaccurate.

I don’t expect Lionel will do anything to correct the tender size issue. I wanted a Daylight version, which is a fantasy scheme anyway, but now I am disinclined to buy something that hasn’t been properly described but we are just expected to accept.
 
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