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Greeting:

I am relatively new to this forum and discovered that there are a few other folks in the country interested in the repair of Lionel (and other) clockwork motors.

Some years ago, I owned a company that made toy train tools and parts and had some parts made for repair for my 1588 motor. I have since discovered that many of the Lionel clockwork motors use these same parts.

To date, I have disassembled an 1103 handcar, 1511 and 1588 motors. I have documented that the inner "clutch hub" and "clutch spring" are the same in these three motors. I am acquiring other motors to confirm that these two parts are the same in other motors (BTW, would appreciate any help with old motors you may have to determine if these parts are compatible).

Please see the attached pictures that I took from the 1588, but please note these these two parts fit all the clockwork motors I have disassembled.

The purpose for my email is twofold. I am having more of these parts made, and to get a reasonable price, I need to make at least 200 of each. I was wondering if anyone may be interested in these parts, as I'd be delighted to provide a supply. Should have my pricing finalized in about a week.

Also, I am looking for other motors (I have the 1103, 1511 & 1588) to disassemble and document various parts. I WILL RESTORE YOUR MOTORS AT NO CHARGE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEM FOR DOCUMENTATION. When I restore these motors, I drill and tap the bearing posts (the small steel posts that hold the side plates [bearing plates] together). I then use a 2-56 screw to hold them together, and make future service easier. I also tumble polish the parts so these things come out looking new.

Finally, I am also making the die cast whistle drive gear for the 1511 and 1588 and may make the whistle actuator levers for the 1588 and 1511.

Will appreciate any feedback and or suggestions. Always interested in any old parts that may be of use with these motors. And, if by chance, anyone else has already made these parts, please let me know.

Thanks
Vic
 

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Vic, The 1508 clockwork is the same as the 1511, except it has a Bell, in place of the whistle. I presently have two motors that need repairs. One is is still together, but appears to have a broken Clutch Hub, where the motor won’t lock in the wind up position. The other motor is in pieces, and well beyond my skills to put it back together. I would be interested in having them repaired, if the price is reasonable. I’d like more info, if possible. Thank you.
 

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e021911, Are you referring to the main windup spring? I might have it.
 

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Good morning. Sorry for the delay as I was traveling, and just in. Happy to help you out on your motors. Do you know if all the parts are there for the disassembled unit? Is there a method for a private message on the forum. Like to chat real-time and your needs, etc.

Also, I found springs that fit these motors from TimeSavers, a clock spring supplier. I have been measuring and matching up the springs in the motors I am disassembling.

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Good morning. Sorry for the delay as I was traveling, and just in. Happy to help you out on your motors. Do you know if all the parts are there for the disassembled unit? Is there a method for a private message on the forum. Like to chat real-time and your needs, etc.

Also, I found springs that fit these motors from TimeSavers, a clock spring supplier. I have been measuring and matching up the springs in the motors I am disassembling.

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HI, welcome to the site.
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Hi Vic,

Welcome to the forum. It's good to have you onboard, especially with your interest and knowledge of windup motors.

I've restored several Lionel/Ives 1930 locos, but my work has been focused on the shells and trim. I've been frustrated with the difficulty of getting "inside the guts" of the windup motors themselves, and have resorted to simply putting a non-functioning motor back in an otherwise gleaming shell.

It would be nice to have more knowledge and/or a source of repairing these motors. Let's chat!

To (perhaps?) answer your question about clutch springs, I'm showing two of my motors below, each with different clutch spring setups. The first motor is out of a 1506M, and shares the same clutch spring as your original post/photos, I believe. The second motor is out of a Lionel/Ives 1501 loco (ca. 1931, I believe). It's just the inner guts of the motor, with much missing. However, it looks to me like there's a COIL clutch spring in this motor, rather than the plate-disc style spring you show in your photos.

I hope that helps a bit.

Regards,

TJ
 

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Thanks for the info. I just acquired a 1506L and see that other type of clutch drive. I am trying to document these variations, and am getting some more inventory of the clutch hubs and flat clutch springs made.

I need about a half dozen for myself, and assume a few others out there could use a few. Also dealing with missing whistle actuator levers and compound whistle drive gears.

One thing I discovered (from a brother who restored clocks) is a handy tool that is used to wind clock springs. This is a Webber spring winding tool. It ratchets in both directions for winding, and unwinding springs. The metal "C" clamps are handy to keep the springs wound, but a ZIP tie also works well.
 

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Have no experience with the motor boats, but am game for just about anything. Need to pace myself a bit as I decided to go back to work (after a brief retirement) and getting busy.

Once I get squared away on the toy train motors and those parts, love to see what makes the boats go.

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Cool gizmo, Vic!

Good luck with the new job.

And as you have time, do keep us posted. If you'd ever consider playing Doctor on a couple of Lionel windup motors I have, let me know.

Cheers,

TJ
 

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Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Any chance we can catch up next week. I'd like to discuss what you need done. Also interested in the 1511 shell and tender you have on eBay

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Hi Vic,

Not sure if your post above was directed to me, but ...

I'd be happy to chat here (in this thread), or via Private Message. (I don't have a 1511 shell/tender listed on ebay ... that's someone else.)

Cheers,

TJ
 

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TJ, The listing on eBay is my listing, he is referring to. I have two 1511 motors that neither work. One is still intact, but I can see a broken part, which prevent the motor to ratchet into the wound up position. The other motor is entirely in pieces, but appears to be ALL there. From Vic’s posting, showing his reproduced parts, appear to be the weak link Of Lionel’s motors, causing the failures that we see in most of the motors, for sale. I need to take some photos of the motor that is in pieces, and see what Vic thinks. I would love to have two working motors, to install in the 1511 body. Believe it or not, I have three 1511 & 1516T bodies, needing motors. I have two broken motors, & here bodies, so I am selling off the extra. I would like to get the money I paid, for what I have listed, & I’m not budging on the price.:smilie_daumenpos:
 

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'Doc,

Ahh ... that explains thing. I didn't know that was "you" as the man behind the curtain, so to speak!

Cheers,

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TJ, Yes it is the “Tinplate Wizard”, behind the curtain.
 
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