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Hello,

I am new to the hobby and want to set up a O-scale multi-engine layout using Lionel FasTrack and the new Legacy Controller. I have purchased a set that comes with the conventional CW-80 transformer but have not yet purchased the Legacy controller. I have also already purchased a higher-end engine cira 2006 with TMCC features.

I understand that the Legacy controller will operate the TMCC engines. Is this correct? Do I need any other TMCC equipment for my TMCC engine? When adding the Legacy controller system, I need to attach a power supply such as the CW-80 to it, correct?

Any insight into how conventional, TMCC, and Legacy work together on the same layouts would be most helpful. Thanks in advance for your help! :confused:
 

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TMCC & Legacy

Hello,

I am new to the hobby and want to set up a O-scale multi-engine layout using Lionel FasTrack and the new Legacy Controller. I have purchased a set that comes with the conventional CW-80 transformer but have not yet purchased the Legacy controller. I have also already purchased a higher-end engine cira 2006 with TMCC features.

I understand that the Legacy controller will operate the TMCC engines. Is this correct? Do I need any other TMCC equipment for my TMCC engine? When adding the Legacy controller system, I need to attach a power supply such as the CW-80 to it, correct?

Any insight into how conventional, TMCC, and Legacy work together on the same layouts would be most helpful. Thanks in advance for your help! :confused:
I wish that I had seen this post sooner, I am using TMCC on my S gauge layout. I have just obtained a Legacy system to use in conjunction with the TMCC and they work together fine. The Legacy will operate TMCC engines along with Legacy equipment.
I have a number of post war Gilbert Flyer engines to which I have added TMCC control, and a number of conventional engines that I will not add it to. Here is what I see as a large advantage for TMCC or Legacy, you can run any engine with your wireless remote and not have to modify it. All you need if you have TMCC is to add Powermasters, if you have Legacy you will also need a Powermaster Bridge. As stated in the previous post the Lionel site has much info on both systems and they have Techs that will answer questions emailed to them, it may take a few days to get the answer but they are forth coming.
If you still have questions on this you can contact me and I would be happy to try to help you out.
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I'm thinking about DCC of some kind for my O-scale rig, so I may have some questions. How easy is it to add TMCC to an existing engine, do decoders exist that don't cost more than a TMCC equipped engine?
John,
Depending on what the motor situation is in the engines you have now the decoders, less sound, will cost between $50.00 and$75.00. They are not difficult to install. If you go to ERR website and click on there manuals it is all laid out there. I am in S gauge so I know in your O gauge equipment you will have much more room than I have for the boards. I have installed ERRs' driver and sound boards with the speaker in engines as small as the AF Baldwin.
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Who is EER? Do you have a link for them?

I have an assortment of engines, some with a single motor, some with two. They're both A/C and D/C as well. I doubt I'd do them all, but perhaps 3-4 of the "favorites". :)
ERR is Electric Railroad Co, if you type Electric Railroad Co. into your browser it should get you there. They do have boards to run both AC and DC motors and they all run off the AC that is on the rail with the TMCC/Legacy system.
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Is that module a decoder for the TMCC as well as the driver for the motor? Remember, I know nothing about digital train control. :)
Yes it is the decoder and the driver board for the motors. It is also the decoder for the sound if you want to add that option. I was at the same place you are now about three years back, I knew nothing about all this except that I wanted the wireless control and the ability to control two or more engines on the same piece of rail independently.
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Well, I'm there now. ;) I do have a small advantage, I'm an EE and a computer guy, so the concepts are familiar, just not the equipment. :D

Just trying to figure out what it'll take to upgrade to digital. Obviously, I have to have the infrastructure for TMCC in place first.

Do you control all your switches and accessories that way as well?

Also, is there a computer interface option to do some automated routing and the like?
 

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Well, I'm there now. ;) I do have a small advantage, I'm an EE and a computer guy, so the concepts are familiar, just not the equipment. :D

Just trying to figure out what it'll take to upgrade to digital. Obviously, I have to have the infrastructure for TMCC in place first.

Do you control all your switches and accessories that way as well?

Also, is there a computer interface option to do some automated routing and the like?
No, I don't do any of the switches or accessories with my remote, I actually am still am doing the construction of the layout. I do have the track laid and am able to run trains The main thing I wanted was the train control, I have the buttons for my switches and uncouplers around the layout near the accessory that they activate. One guy in our club who is not tech savvy, said he was afraid to try this stuff. He did go ahead and install three Powermasters on his layout so he could run his trains from the wireless without modifying his engines. He guts it and went ahead with the SW2s, switch controllers, he called me yesterday to tell me he has half of his switches on the remote and will finish the rest of them today. He also wanted to know when I would order more driver boards, I guess he is losing his fear of TMCC.
With the Legacy you can set a number of routes without a computer interface. You might also want to visit the Lionel web sight to get more info on the Legacy

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Thanks for asking all the questions, John! I've been wondering the same things myself. I don't think I'm ready to make the TMCC move yet . . . but I know myself and at some point in the next 6 months I'll get there.

Thanks for all the input Rayins! That helps one heck of a lot.
 

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I think I may have to buy some sort of "starter kit" and jump in with both feet. My issue is what is the best choice of a starting lashup. ;)
Hi again,
One of the things I did not mention in my post was the need of the Lionel SW2 for the switches, you probably gathered that at the Lionel website but I did not want to leave that out. Also to get into this as low cost as possible you will have to do some hunting but you may be able to locate a TMCC Base Command set. The list price for the Command set in TMCC is about $170.00 but they are getting scarce, Legacy costs about $350.00 for the Base Command set. Both of these Base Command sets will have the Base Commander and one of the remotes.
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Well, I took the plunge and I'm looking at a new Legacy controller! Now I have all the parts, but I'm at bit lost as to how to configure them. The Legacy manual is pretty sparse on how to get the CAB2 to recognize the TMCC engines. I'm assuming I have to put the engine in Program mode, but what do I do next? :)

My legacy engine is sans manual, so maybe that's the missing link?
 

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Good luck, John! I'm looking forward to learning a lot as you sweat your way through it. ;-)

BTW: Where did you pick up the Legacy controller?
 

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I found it on-line for $269, the cheapest price I could find anywhere. That was at www.legacystation.com

The interesting part was they also had it listed in a different place for $309, but when I did a search using Google, it found the page with the cheaper price. Since they shipped it at that price, I guess it was valid! :D
 

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Did you buy just the controller or did you get the base with it? Without the Command base you will not be able to address your engines.
Ray:confused:
 
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