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If most of you have read my other thread about the "Lionel Torpedoes", you should have possibly looked at post # 83, which listed the full line of the 1500 series cars (1514, 1515, 1517, and missing the 1512 gondola). Well I finally scored the elusive 1512 gondola with the RED frame, to complete that set.

red frame 1512.jpg

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Lionel created two separate sets of these freight cars, with the earliest frame being BLACK, and then followed by RED frames. Typically, the freight cars were included with the 1588/1588T windup loco, which would have been Set/Outfit 1549, made in 1936 and 1937. The same freight cars were also included with a Black 1689E, from 1937, that would have had a 1028 transformer, 8 curved track, & 2 straight track, making Set/Outfit # 6201E. I have all the 2 rail track for the windup, and I have enough track for the 6201E set, but now have to hunt down a 1028 transformer.

I will try to add photos of both the Red & Black freight cars together, with the correct locos, they would be matched with.
The Red frame 1512 is the Rarest car to find, to complete the whole series of cars. Fortunately, I own two original 1588 clockwork locos with the 1588T tenders. I also have a third 1588 loco, that I kit-bashed a Marx wind-up motor into the shell. All three 1588’s run, along with more than enough two rail track.:):)
 

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Here are the 1500 series freight cars, 1512 gondola, 1514 boxcar, 1515 tank car, & 1517 caboose, in both the RED frame and Black Frame version. They were initially introduced under "Lionel-Ives", from 1931 to 1935, and later under just Lionel name. They were mostly found in Promotional sets. They were matched with the 1506L Clockwork loco, 1588 Clockwork, & the 1689E powered loco. The earlier versions came with the Black Frame, and the later issues were Red Frames. The Red Framed cars were issued with the Clockwork locos, and the Black Frame version was issued with a Black 1689E with black 1689T tender. The box for the 1689 locos was marked as 1689EX, designating the tender had an automatic coupler (Box coupler)

Lionel 1514 brass knob.jpg
This is the early version 1514 boxcar, with a brass knob door handle, without any "Baby Ruth" markings.

Lionel 1514 punched door handle.jpg
This is the later version 1514, with a punched-out door handle, and now having the "Baby Ruth" logo.

Lionel 1514 early & late version.jpg
This is a side by side comparison of both 1514 boxcars. The left car has NO Lionel stamping, and a dark blue roof. The right car does have Lionel stamped, with a Greenish -Blue roof.

Lionel 1500 set Black.jpg
This is the complete consist of the Black Frames.

Lionel 1500 sets red & black.jpg
This is a comparison of both the Red and Black framed freight sets, that were paired with the above locos.

I'm fortunate to have two complete 1588/1588T working locos, and one extra 1588 (kit bashed with a Marx windup motor). I also have the correct 1689E locos, with tenders, in both Black and Gunmetal gray. The Clockwork set would be Set 1549 from 1936, and the 1689E set would be Set 6201E from 1936.
 
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