[imatt88]

Hey all,

My old 409 came in the mail today. It needs some cleaning, but its not in bad shape.

I got the motor assembly out, however, the rear deck is proving troublesome to remove.

So, how do I get the rear deck out without breaking it? Any tricks I should know about?

T-Man any suggestions

Cheers, Ian

 

[tjcruiser]

Ian,

Any pics???

TJ

 

[T-Man]

If it is like the 490, it tilts.That's the best I can describe. I will need to look back and try to find Pics. It belongs to a friend and I cleaned it up.

As a funny story he was so pround onhow it looked he showed his wife. Then the motor just fell out. Not very impressive. I got it back and set the back plate cause it slipped.

 

[imatt88]

TJ,

I will post pics as soon as I can. It doesn't have a reverse unit, and it has a brass or copper strip in the front that isn't hooked up to anything. Not sure what it is for.

T-Man,

I tried prying it out by tilting it sideways, but I was afraid I was going to break the plastic, so I gave up. I will try again.

Thanks guys,

Cheers, Ian

 

[T-Man]

It should tilt into the cab so it can drop the motor.

 

[imatt88]

Guess what? Its a 490, not a 409.........DUH:lol_hitting:

BTW, I got the rear deck out without breaking it


Cheers, Ian

 

[imatt88]

Update

OK, got the new parts in the 400 motor, and it runs

Now on to the body:thumbsup:

 

[T-Man]

I found the trap door picture.

 

[tjcruiser]

What holds that in place once motor is installed? Do tabs on trap nest into motor housing, then motor gets screwed to top of boiler ... or something like that???

TJ

 

[imatt88]

Near as I can figure, everything just snaps into place.

 

[imatt88]

another update

Here is a few pics.

The 400 since I stripped the paint and cleaned the engine. Pictured is the rear deck that was missing when I bought it. I took it out of the 490.

The 490. I just received the NOS rear deck in the mail today. That one will go in the 490 when it is repainted. Haven't ran the engine yet.

The Penn Central tender. 8 wheeler, pretty good shape for its age.

Anyway, thats it for now....

Cheers, Ian

 

[tjcruiser]

Ian,

Thanks for posting the baby pics ... first ones, I think?

What's the difference between the 400 and the 490? Your pics of the shells above have the two looking nearly identical ... is that the case?

Why are you flip/flopping the rear decks ... out of 490, into 400? Why not replacement one into 400? Just curious.

Are you planning to repaint the loco shells?

"NOS" <=== ????

Tender looks great ... nice condition.

That's some shiny track. Brand new? Lionel O (rather than O27) ???

(I think I've used up my daily allotment of questions ... Sorry!!!)

TJ

 

[Boston&Maine]

"NOS" <=== ????

NOS = New old stock

Which means that the part was produced by the manufacturer, but was leftover and put into their parts inventory...

 

[tjcruiser]

B&M,

Thank you!

TJ

 

[imatt88]

B&M..:thumbsup:

TJ,

The shells look almost identical. There are a few subtle differences, like the cab roof, for one.

The rear deck from the 490 fits perfectly into the 400 shell. Replacement part problem solved

Both shells will be painted, and I hope to do a little work to keep the finish from being just flat black monotone. Boring!!

Anyway, thats all for now

I'll let you guys know when I run the 490 motor:thumbsup:

 

[tjcruiser]

Thanks! Keep us updated on your progress ... it's fun to peek ... especially for me, who has no experience with any of this Marx stuff.

Cheers,

TJ

 

[imatt88]

update

Finally tried running the 490 engine, and nothing. Doesn't even make noise.

Any suggestions?

Cheers, Ian

 

[Stillakid]

What?

Ian, what happens when you touch the wires from your transformer to the pick up plate and wheels?

Have you opened it up and checked the brushes/springs?

Can you tell if the wire to the pick up plate is making good contact?

 

[imatt88]

Jim

Thats the thing, there is no wire from the pickup plate to the motor.

There doesn't even seem to be a spot for a wire. That's whats confusing me.

The pickup plate on this motor is about half the size of what I have on my other Marx trains and there is no spring, or a spot for a spring, the plate just clips on to the bottom.

I tried taking the wheels off, only to find out the side plates that hold the motor are plastic. I broke a small chunk off, but nothing important.

I'll need a wheel puller for this one

Wierd

 

[Stillakid]

picture

Is this what your motor looks like?
At each end, are there hole where it turns up(red circles)
View attachment 2977 ?
No spring? Odd.
There has to be a connection to the center rail.