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Notice on Cordelia, the REA/Baggage car, the two doors are different widths, each with a unique widow arrangement. Lionel put a surprising amount of detail into these cars.
Mopac, every time you post about a Casino trip I am thankful I do not enjoy spending time in casinos wagering. However there is no free lunch, I am sure I have spent the same keeping my wine cellar stocked that you spend gambling.
 

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I may have gotten carried away today with the camera but here are shots with the PRR Light Mikado pulling the six cars. This engine would not have been used on the prototype but it looks good on the layout. Once in a while these Lionel AF engines from 2006 come up for sale on the internet, but never cheaply. I am hoping that in the next catalog Lionel releases more road names in the Legacy rerun of this engine with the Pacific wheel arrangement.


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They all really look good Tom. I do like passenger trains. LOL, well freights too.
As of now, the IC will probably not happen. Too late to the party. On the dual E8s
from AM I guess both units are powered.
 

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Thanks, the Pacific looks good and even as a perfect condition 313 would be a lot cheaper than that Mikado.
It appears the IC passenger set and the E8 have sold. Not surprising, they never last more that a day.
I have dual PA's from AM, both units are powered. The set I bought was DC because they were a lot cheaper than the AC version. I had AM mail them straight to Ed Goldin for conversion to TMCC. They are programmed as a set in Legacy so they run back to back in sequence.
 

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Mopac, around here every tavern, some eating establishments, many coinvent stores, and stand alone machine straight up gambling establishments are everywhere. While I don't play them, a very good friend who owns a tavern does. I meet him for lunch most days at his place. I eat, he gambles. Before I get my meal ate, he's showing me a winning payout ticket. Then we go to the other tavern where he plays that same machine. Before I get my Pepsi drank, here he is with another payout ticket. He only plays 20.00 at a time. No more. If he loses it, he walks away. Since we have been friends for 50 years, I have no reason to doubt him. He is up 1800.00 and change this month. Bottom line, if Missouri has those machines at places, maybe you should try your luck there. We spend about 2 hours a day together so it isn't a marathon amount of gambling time. The lowest amount was 151.00, the highest was 701.00. Just trying to save you some money mopac and maybe win some. Obviously he doesn't win every time but losing only 20.00 at a time?

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Very nice Tom. Prototype or not, that Light Mikado or the K5 look very good pulling those coaches. To be honest, it would be hard to make a choice. I guess my preference for steam is showing. E8's are fine but give me steam locomotives. As to those IC passenger sets, I know of an old time department store in Richmond, Indiana that has an upstairs train department. The owner has a display layout with an E8 IC passenger set running on it the last time I was there. He sells restored Gilbert AF or Lionel Flyer new. I didn't ask him the brand of that IC set the last time I was there. His repair hourly rate is 40.00 an hour by the way.

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The AC are more because they need a reverse unit. I should pick up a dual red set of PRR.
Not too fond of any of the others they have. Ron said they did not do many of the ICs.
What sound do you have in your E8s?

Yep, steam would be better for the heavy weights. I have a 312. It had pulmor wheels but I have changed the chassis
with one I got from flyernut. Installed a good motor. Runs well. But no pulmor. Hope it will pull 6 Lionel cars. I got my
PA cars rolling easier just by bending the copper strip down a tad. But I have a better idea to pick up power for the lights.
One of my center drivers on original chassis has a broken stud. Wheel will need to be pulled to repair and I have no
quartering tools so I got the chassis with wheels from flyernut. The original pulmor tires are rotten. Bad tires. I got the 312 for like 36 dollars. Cheap. Paint and lettering not bad. Needs cleaning. Been in storage over 50 years. Needs a new wire harness and work on reverse unit. It will make a good engine. Only K5 I have. I bent the copper strip all the way down on one of my Passenger cars and it rolls great I was surprised. They roll really bad with the strip against the axles.
 

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All my American Models conversions have a Railsounds board. There are three different ones for steam engines, the whistles are a lot different, the chuffs slightly different. There are also different sound boards for diesels, depending on the horn desired and the prime mover brand. The bells all seem the same, the crew talk is the same. The startup and shutdown sounds are different.
I will try to run a test for you today. I have no steam engines without PulMor but with a KC. I think I can tie wrap a link to a KC for a quick pull around the layout.
I invested in two dispensers of Bachmann Conductive EZLube light oil. A drop under the four brass wipers where they contact the metal part of the axle plus a drop on each axle end makes a big difference. The AM heavyweight cars are still much more free rolling but those little brass wire wipers are finnicky to keep in good contact. The AM Budd cars are the best, free rolling, no pickup issues.
 

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The promised test has been conducted and the results are in. The train is a six car set of the Lionel AF PRR heavyweights as pictured above. All the wheelsets have been regauged to the precise dimension, in other words they were widened by 1/10th" from the as delivered gauge. All the axle contacts and ends are lubricated, no adjustments were made to the contact pressure of the electrical axle wipers. A 1948 322AC Hudson was used for the test as it was readily available and in good running and smoking condition. The test was run on the upper loop of Line Three. It has a minimum radius of 32" and a maximum grade of 1.1%.
Powered up, the Hudson moved off easily with a slight amount of wheel slip on startup. It could pull the train at any desired speed with no wheel slip. I stopped it at the top of the 1.1% grade and restarted it on the grade. It moved away with no problem and minimal startup wheel slippage. I have steeper grades but I doubt that is of interest. I estimate it will run on a 1.5% to 2% grade but not on the typical 3 to 4% grades on Flyer layouts. The train slowed a little going up the 1.1% grade and slightly sped up going down.
 

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Curiosity got the better of me so I moved the train to Line 1. The ruling grade on Line 1 is a 20' long climb (2.1%) from 0" to 5" while going around a 60" diameter 180 degree curve.
First was a running start at usual operating speed, no problems climbing to the top of the hill. Next test was stopping the train on the grade. The train started with drivers spinning but careful use of the throttle allowed the engine to get traction without wheel spin at a relatively slow speed and then accelerate from that speed without any more spinning. Much better pulling ability than I expected without traction tires.
 

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Kenny, we don't have the tavern slots to my knowledge. Sounds good though. I can afford 20.00 LOL.

Tom, thanks for the results. Good test. There is hope. The real ones had some wheel slippage on start up.
Good results with no pulmor tires. I am still kinda surprised Gilbert did not put pulmor on everything.
 

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I agree. They make a big difference. Put an engine without on the track and scoot it a few inches. It slides easily.
Not so with a pulmor engine. I have very few with traction tires. I have 5 northerns and not one has pulmor.
 

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Kenny, we don't have the tavern slots to my knowledge. Sounds good though. I can afford 20.00 LOL.

Tom, thanks for the results. Good test. There is hope. The real ones had some wheel slippage on start up.
Good results with no pulmor tires. I am still kinda surprised Gilbert did not put pulmor on everything.
Mopac just cross the river over into Madison, Ill. I'm sure they got some machines over there.

I have also wondered why Gilbert never put Pulmor on everything also.

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We posted a number of smoking locomotive pictures in the "Smoke em if You Got Em" thread. I thought I would put these newest pictures over here in the Photo Of The Day. The subject is the same colorful UP freight train. The first pictures are with a newer UP Legacy SD70ACe. I like the details and paint on this engine, it looks good on point. The sounds and smoke are first rate. The next pictures at the higher elevation is the same UP train with a UP 4014 Legacy Big Boy up front. There is just nothing like a Big Boy, it is worth buying when one shows up. They will run fine in conventional without the Legacy system.

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