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That is a very fine set. I think you need to add a hidden lower level storage yard so these trains can be brought out and run!
 

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Kenny, you are correct about strong lettering standing out.

cramden, your 293 is a dandy also. Your cars always look new. Very few of mine do
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Mopac, unless you are buying glass case only cars and you run your trains on a layout, they shouldn't look new. I have bought several because of like new or were new just for my display case but others just for runners. Scratches and scrapes are what I see on the real thing and since I want things to look natural on my layout, not so great cars it is. Plus as we have discussed before, they are way cheaper than pristine cars. It is all a matter of what you are trying to do.
Don't miss understand. A nice shiny set running around the lay out is nice. I have a couple of consists that I will get out from time to time.

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Nice one Kenny, your pics on your layout keeps reminding me how I have to get busy on my layout. Since we're doing 293's, here's mine from a boxed 5525TBW set from 1955. In case anyone is curious about the wood block, that was placed between the cab and the tender when wrapped for shipping to avoid damage. The black wrap is behind the engine. I posted a pic of the 912 Koppers tank car before and will post the other cars from the set as soon as I take some pics. View attachment 512274
Nice 293 and all those cars Cramden. You seem to have so many nice sets. I've never been a set collector but after seeing some of your stuff makes me which I had. I just bought what ever I wanted because I knew I was going to run trains on a layout so I just bought engines and rolling stock as I saw fit and liked.
I have enough cars and locomotives plus old catalogs that I could make sets I suppose. The closest I come to a set is a 5001T. It has all the cars but no farm scene inserts and no original boxes. Maybe no track locks either. I'd have to dig it out and look.

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That is a very fine set. I think you need to add a hidden lower level storage yard so these trains can be brought out and run!
No room Tom for any expansion unfortunately.
Thanks mopac, I try to buy the best condition I can afford. Kenny, some of my sets are boxed, some are sets without the set box, mostly bought from private individuals. 3 sets are my original ones without the set boxes, Yes they were tossed out years ago. Who knew the value at the time, they were after all just toys. I also have some made up sets since I had the engines and cars to complete them. I like to display and run them as the sets the way Gilbert marketed them.
 

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My photo of the day is of my new AF 470 Chrome Diesel. I bought it on eBay and of course it doesn't run. But it does buzz and the headlight comes on. All in all, it looks good with only a few scratches and damaged decals. I am not unhappy but I did pay too much for it. I want to get a B Unit and a dummy A if they come available. All three together aer starting for $300 and goes up from there.:laugh:
 

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Good looking locomotive Broke. Hope you get it running without too much trouble.

cramden, those are nice looking cars. I have all three of the cars but of coarse not in that condition.
 

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Nice looking PA Fred. The chrome on yours looks to be in very good condition. The chrome ones were 1953 only and had American Flyer Lines on the side. The 54 ones were satin silver painted with the same lettering . The 55 PA's had Santa Fe on the side and American Flyer. There are some that come up on ebay that people sell individually, while others sell them as ABA sets. The chrome ones are some of my favorites. Hopefully, yours just needs cleaning up from sitting.
 

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Nice looking PA Fred. The chrome on yours looks to be in very good condition. The chrome ones were 1953 only and had American Flyer Lines on the side. The 54 ones were satin silver painted with the same lettering . The 55 PA's had Santa Fe on the side and American Flyer. There are some that come up on ebay that people sell individually, while others sell them as ABA sets. The chrome ones are some of my favorites. Hopefully, yours just needs cleaning up from sitting.
It looks quite good. There is a little wear and a scratch or two. I will keep you posted as to how it runs. However, it may be a little while. I have never even opened up a diesel so I might try. We will see...
 

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My photo of the day is of my new AF 470 Chrome Diesel. I bought it on eBay and of course it doesn't run. But it does buzz and the headlight comes on. All in all, it looks good with only a few scratches and damaged decals. I am not unhappy but I did pay too much for it. I want to get a B Unit and a dummy A if they come available. All three together aer starting for $300 and goes up from there.:laugh:
Nice chrome over all on that Santa Fe. Hard to fine good chrome on those. If ever I would buy diesels other than the 3 370 GP7's and my 2 UP 372 GP 7's, I always thought an ABA Santa Fe chrome set would be a nice addition.
Good luck on completing the ABA set at a "reasonable" price.

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No room Tom for any expansion unfortunately.
Thanks mopac, I try to buy the best condition I can afford. Kenny, some of my sets are boxed, some are sets without the set box, mostly bought from private individuals. 3 sets are my original ones without the set boxes, Yes they were tossed out years ago. Who knew the value at the time, they were after all just toys. I also have some made up sets since I had the engines and cars to complete them. I like to display and run them as the sets the way Gilbert marketed them.
Cramden, I could make that same 293 set from my rolling stock and the billboard. In fact you got me to thinking about sets. Still not a set collector but I have enough different locomotives and rolling stock I could put together a few sets. My David Doyle book lists all Gilbert produced sets and their contents. All I have to do is raid my glass case cars and see what I can assemble. A few from the layout would work too but most are runner quality on purpose. No boxes of course.

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It looks quite good. There is a little wear and a scratch or two. I will keep you posted as to how it runs. However, it may be a little while. I have never even opened up a diesel so I might try. We will see...
Be very careful Fred, those things are beasts!!!!. It's probably a 2 motor engine, and now you're doubling your troubles...
 

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Be very careful Fred, those things are beasts!!!!. It's probably a 2 motor engine, and now you're doubling your troubles...
I will not try it Loren. It is destined to sit on the shelf and look pretty!:laugh::laugh::laugh: I could not resist a pretty face.
 

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I will always remember flyernut's term for those old diesels. FINNICKY. That's enough
for me. If he thinks that, what in the world would I be in for.


Broke, I had fits just trying to get the screws back in to hold body to frame. I had to buy a magnetized
screw driver. No room to get screws started with fingers. I am talking about the Fly/Onel PAs. Pretty sure it is same set up
on the old ones.
 

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I will always remember flyernut's term for those old diesels. FINNICKY. That's enough
for me. If he thinks that, what in the world would I be in for.


Broke, I had fits just trying to get the screws back in to hold body to frame. I had to buy a magnetized
screw driver. No room to get screws started with fingers. I am talking about the Fly/Onel PAs. Pretty sure it is same set up
on the old ones.
I worked on a single motor Santa Fe, and I was pulling my hair out with it. I would fix one thing, and then have to fix two more. I had over $35 bucks into that monster, but by-jimminy, when it left here, it was a running fool!
 

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I will always remember flyernut's term for those old diesels. FINNICKY. That's enough
for me. If he thinks that, what in the world would I be in for.


Broke, I had fits just trying to get the screws back in to hold body to frame. I had to buy a magnetized
screw driver. No room to get screws started with fingers. I am talking about the Fly/Onel PAs. Pretty sure it is same set up
on the old ones.
Way back when I bought a Rocket 4745 double AA chrome set with all the cars for a song. As things turned out, a sad song! The chrome was pretty good, not perfect buy good. The bad part was that in ran poorly. Not backing away from a challenge I decided to try and figure out what the issue was. The 474 was a dual motor type. Once I got the body off the challenge began. I won't bore everybody with the gory details but suffice to say it took me along time of trial and error to get things right.
I sold that set along with all the cars right quick and made myself a promise to never buy a PA engine again even though I still want a chrome Santa Fe AA or ABA set but they better be running perfectly, if that is even possible. Not at the top of my want list.
I can sum up the whole sorry mess in one word, "frustrating"! Flyernut you called PA's finicky? I called that one way more than that. PA's are the devil's invention I tell ya!!

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I don't have a one of the old AF diesels. It will probably remain that way. I did something just as bad though. I bought 4 of the repro PA sets by Lionel. I do not like them and they were in the $400.00 to $500.00 range each. How did that happen? I guess I thought, if they were made by Lionel they would be ok. I bought all 4 of them before I ran one set. Not too smart. The engine shells were made from the original AF molds. They look great, but of terrible design. Very close to the originals. The passenger cars are beautiful. Most of them will be pulled by my steamers. So they are now expensive passenger cars. The locomotives are junk. Sure wish I had run one and then there would not be 4 sets of them. Here are 2 of them.

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They are good looking trains.


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I don't have a one of the old AF diesels. It will probably remain that way. I did something just as bad though. I bought 4 of the repro PA sets by Lionel. I do not like them and they were in the $400.00 to $500.00 range each. How did that happen? I guess I thought, if they were made by Lionel they would be ok. I bought all 4 of them before I ran one set. Not too smart. The engine shells were made from the original AF molds. They look great, but of terrible design. Very close to the originals. The passenger cars are beautiful. Most of them will be pulled by my steamers. So they are now expensive passenger cars. The locomotives are junk. Sure wish I had run one and then there would not be 4 sets of them. Here are 2 of them.

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They are good looking trains.


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Mopac those are good looking trains. Too bad they are as you described. I gotta tell ya though, not to twist the knife, the guys over on the "O" forum have been bashing Lionel's lack of quality control for a while now. Some have have said no more Lionel. My point is, your assumption that because Lionel made the AF engines they would be of good quality. I thought the same thing until their complaints started to come out. I think I mentioned that I had thought about buying one of the steamers in the catalog but didn't. I cited the reasons why but I didn't mention the complaints on Lionel's lack of quality control that I had read as another reason why I didn't buy. I should have mentioned that fact.
One more thing while I think of it. Those guys also mentioned Lionel's poor warranty service when problems do arise and you must send your locomotive in for repairs then wait for MONTHS to get your locomotive back.
Check that forum site, especially comments from Lee Willis and GRJ.

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