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Tinkerer or hopelessly optimistic?

I did see the station and it is just as impressive as the rest! I spent a lot of time poking around and pestering the poor guy and while he was standoffish at first he opened up eventually and you could tell he was passionate about his work, and the hobby in general.
His was easily the best layout at the show IMHO, although there was a logging themed setup in Hon30 that was very well detailed.

For whatever reason the majority of layouts consisted of long stretches of track laid around minimal landscaping, which holds very little appeal to me. Sure, the long trains were cool, (since my layout isn't flat, I had no idea 2 sd40's could pull so many cars on level ground!) but they all had kind of a fish-out-of-water effect to my eyes.



Lol yes, you're right there! I didn't include them in the pics but there were also copies of the Popular Mechanics mag that featured the train, and an article by Gary Dolzall titled "Here comes tomorrow." Which of course never came.:eek:

This was not a well-received item when people finally got them in their hands. Constant derailing seemed to be the biggest complaint, and it did not get a glowing review from spookshow, or anyone else for that matter!
I knew about the issues going in but I'm a tinkerer by nature and none of the problems seem insurmountable.

I say that now, but I haven't had time to tear into yet-#hopelesslyoptimistic.:)

The cars couple via magnets imbedded in steel plates, which in turn are mounted in diaphragms that pivot on a vertical pin in the car body. Each car is lighted and part of a single circuit, so they have to be oriented correctly and all but the car at the rear has a bundle of wires hanging out. These wires are apparently one of the main causes of derailment, as well as inadequate weight. Wheels out of gauge are also a common complaint. Biggest flaw I see is that you have to remove the bodies to plug in the harness, which could lead to something, (either the body or the wires) breaking if they're uncoupled/coupled frequently.

So I won't be adding any additional cars once I've got the kinks worked out-moving 4 connected cars from storage to track is feasible, not so much with all 10.
gimme30;

It sounds like the N-scale Aerotrain may have even more potential problems than the prototype! Good luck, I suspect you may need it. It will provide a new challenge for your Atlas turnouts though, and your hairpin 9-3/4" radius curves.

regards;

Traction Fan :smilie_daumenpos:
 

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Bewhole I didn't see the gent in question, but thank you for posting the vid! I hated not being able to get pics but that covered it pretty well. The Gold Creek, Pine Cliff & Elk Springs layout (15:08 in the vid) was one of the better ones.:thumbsup:

QotGN, that seems to be Micro Trains MO, recycle the same ol' same ol' with NEW and IMPROVED paint schemes!! I don't think there's anything wrong with 'series' sets but some of theirs are a little far-fetched. Personally while I'd prefer to support an American company I don't buy too many MTL products-I don't see any detail advantage over their competition and they're generally more expensive. Heck even Bachmann freight rolls on metal wheels. :dunno:
 

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gimme30;

It sounds like the N-scale Aerotrain may have even more potential problems than the prototype! Good luck, I suspect you may need it. It will provide a new challenge for your Atlas turnouts though, and your hairpin 9-3/4" radius curves.

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Traction Fan :smilie_daumenpos:
You're probably right, but if it worked perfectly out of the box how much fun would that be?:rolleyes:

Btw, those hairpin curves? Even the fastest locos at WOT won't launch without 'em!
 

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Quick update....

Turns out the Aerotrain's bad rep is deserved, but the fix(es) are pretty simple. Adding weight does help but the biggest improvement came from pulling the pins that retain the trucks and replacing them with screws so said trucks can't pivot-not that they moved much to begin with. The wheels are all set too narrow and I managed to break one while trying to adjust it, so they're getting replaced with wheels from Kato's GS-4 tender-supposedly a drop-in replacement that's gauged correctly.

The set actually runs very well and looks great all lit up, so it's definitely worth the effort!

Biggest surprise from my little train show haul....The Shay is super noisy! "Coffee grinder" doesn't begin to come close, it's more like a dumpster in a cement mixer!!

Runs fine though, just have to turn up the music.:)
 

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Quick update....

Turns out the Aerotrain's bad rep is deserved, but the fix(es) are pretty simple. Adding weight does help but the biggest improvement came from pulling the pins that retain the trucks and replacing them with screws so said trucks can't pivot-not that they moved much to begin with. The wheels are all set too narrow and I managed to break one while trying to adjust it, so they're getting replaced with wheels from Kato's GS-4 tender-supposedly a drop-in replacement that's gauged correctly.

The set actually runs very well and looks great all lit up, so it's definitely worth the effort!

Biggest surprise from my little train show haul....The Shay is super noisy! "Coffee grinder" doesn't begin to come close, it's more like a dumpster in a cement mixer!!

Runs fine though, just have to turn up the music.<img src="http://www.modeltrainforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />


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Noisy shay

Quick update....

Turns out the Aerotrain's bad rep is deserved, but the fix(es) are pretty simple. Adding weight does help but the biggest improvement came from pulling the pins that retain the trucks and replacing them with screws so said trucks can't pivot-not that they moved much to begin with. The wheels are all set too narrow and I managed to break one while trying to adjust it, so they're getting replaced with wheels from Kato's GS-4 tender-supposedly a drop-in replacement that's gauged correctly.

The set actually runs very well and looks great all lit up, so it's definitely worth the effort!

Biggest surprise from my little train show haul....The Shay is super noisy! "Coffee grinder" doesn't begin to come close, it's more like a dumpster in a cement mixer!!

Runs fine though, just have to turn up the music.:)
gimme30;

Well, a Shay has plenty of exposed moving parts, so I'm guessing the real ones aren't as quiet as a real Bipolar (MILW electric locomotive with no gears) either.
In fact, I've seen, and heard, a real Shay in a video. They make their full share of noise, but don't sound like coffee grinders.Getting actual grinding sounds from a model locomotive sounds rather ominous. You might want to check the gearing to see if something is amiss. Have you tried lubrication?
Is your model Shay a Bachmann product? If so, Bachmann locos are not noted for quiet running, at least the old ones. Newer production may be a different story. :dunno: Having given up on Bachmann many years ago, (after a long series of duds) I wouldn't know what a new Bachmann Shay is supposed to sound like.
Older Bachmann locos, regardless of type, were very noisy. Since they had cheap metal gears, and only two speeds, 300 scale mph, and stop, You could always tell when somebody was running a Bachmann at my old club. You could hear it all over the 30' x 90' layout room. Maybe you could get a sound decoder for your Shay. If you could shoehorn a 40 watt amplifier and some 14" woofers into it, you could drown out the GRRIINEEEEEE sound with CHUG CHUG CHUG! :D

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Quick update....

Turns out the Aerotrain's bad rep is deserved, but the fix(es) are pretty simple. Adding weight does help but the biggest improvement came from pulling the pins that retain the trucks and replacing them with screws so said trucks can't pivot-not that they moved much to begin with. The wheels are all set too narrow and I managed to break one while trying to adjust it, so they're getting replaced with wheels from Kato's GS-4 tender-supposedly a drop-in replacement that's gauged correctly.

The set actually runs very well and looks great all lit up, so it's definitely worth the effort!

Biggest surprise from my little train show haul....The Shay is super noisy! "Coffee grinder" doesn't begin to come close, it's more like a dumpster in a cement mixer!!

Runs fine though, just have to turn up the music.<img src="http://www.modeltrainforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
gimme30;

Well, a Shay has plenty of exposed moving parts, so I'm guessing the real ones aren't as quiet as a real Bipolar (MILW electric locomotive with no gears) either.
In fact, I've seen, and heard, a real Shay in a video. They make their full share of noise, but don't sound like coffee grinders.Getting actual grinding sounds from a model locomotive sounds rather ominous. You might want to check the gearing to see if something is amiss. Have you tried lubrication?
Is your model Shay a Bachmann product? If so, Bachmann locos are not noted for quiet running, at least the old ones. Newer production may be a different story.
Having given up on Bachmann many years ago, (after a long series of duds) I wouldn't know what a new Bachmann Shay is supposed to sound like.
Older Bachmann locos, regardless of type, were very noisy. Since they had cheap metal gears, and only two speeds, 300 scale mph, and stop, You could always tell when somebody was running a Bachmann at my old club. You could hear it all over the 30' x 90' layout room. Maybe you could get a sound decoder for your Shay. If you could shoehorn a 40 watt amplifier and some 14" woofers into it, you could drown out the GRRIINEEEEEE sound with CHUG CHUG CHUG! <img src="http://www.modeltrainforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />

Regards;

Traction Fan

Can confirm, even newer Bachman’s are VERY noisy like, absurdly loud not sure about non-steam Bachmanns but my 2-8-2 is very loud ( but hey, it was 25$ )
 

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Lol at $25 I'd put up with a little noise too!

Unfortunately this one wasn't anywhere near that price tag...but it's not a Bachmann either, I've sworn them off for good. This one's an Atlas, presumably from their latest release but it could be NOS from 2014.
I've lubed what I can get to without removing the shell. I'm a little leery about pulling that off with all those tiny little moving parts, especially after the seller warned me not to.

Anyone pulled one of these apart?

In the meantime, my GS wheels came in so hopefully I can make some progress on that front.
 

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looks like kind of a lot of shows to me....

 

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Helloooo.........have you not been paying attention? Everything is being cancelled because of the covid19 pandemic......

And why are you still posting......you made a big announcement a while ago about not being able to participate here due to other issues.....what's going on?
 

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i do believe it said posting a lot less often.....
 

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i do believe it said posting a lot less often.....
Well then, I think you believe wrong.....allow me to quote your words from your original post on the subject:

I have made the executive desion that this will be my last post. I am sad to go as it’s like leaving friends but I feel it is best. . I may return in like 1 to 2 years. Thank you for your time. It was nice to have someone to talk to for a change.Tuesday at sunrise I shall no longer be here...
"Last post" is quite different from less often....
 

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So uh.....
How 'bout that corona virus? :rolleyes:

Just a quick update re: the aerotrain. IF anyone's considering picking one up don't let the negative reviews sway you, as long as you understand it will require some tinkering to get it to run right.. I haven't had much time to run mine after making the mods since I'm considered "essential personnel" (read expendable) and still working a lot, but it's got about an hour run time on it now and stays on the track as it should. This is my first Con Cor product and I guess if I had to rate it I'd say it'd be Atlas level quality wise if it worked out of the box. It's very very quiet, and runs smoothly although it won't budge until 4+ volts are applied and lurches some at startup.
 

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Walk 20 miles to attend? lol
Your lucky here in the Tri state area and a lot of other states now, they are arresting people and a $500 buck fine for doing what you did.
Six foot from another person when out in public !
No going to the parks, all closed!
Can't even sit down the shore and watch the ocean ! Not legal !
Mostly everything is shut down!
Soon we will have the military shooting people who don't adhere to the regulations that have been imposed on us.

Wait a while, soon the whole country, everywhere, will be in the same boat !


Funny Monday I drove to work to turn in my prison uniforms and keys. I was going to retire June first but moved it up to April first. I was considered essential and even if a lot got laid off, I was high in seniority and was sort of guaranteed to work.
With this going around it was just not worth the risk hanging around for another 2 months.
And I had my months vacation in, my 5 personal days and my 5 sick days in, I got the yearly bonus too, so why hang around?

Anyway while driving there you would not believe the amount of people driving by themselves with face masks and gloves!
In their own car, like they are going to catch the virus by just breathing in the air as they drive.
I did see one with what looked like an old WW2 gas mask on ha ha ha. :D
I don't know if he was serious about wearing it or was just doing it as a joke?
I kind of think he was serious. lol
 

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