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Does your son have a smartphone?
Or a tablet?
iOS or Android? (doesn't matter which)

If so, do you think he'd like an app that looks like this on his phone?
(choose lights, sounds with icons, rather than trying to remember "which button is which"...)
542305

Or, the same app with two controls side-by-side on a tablet?
542306

And pick his engines this way?
542307

IF so...
You can do this with a Digikeijs DR5000 or a Roco z21 (both running the free Roco z21 app in the pics above).
Here's what the z21 looks like (it uses the companion router for wifi):
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The DR5000 comes with the router built-in and ready-to-go.
 

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After reading the manual for the NCE Twin, it is as I thought, unable to 'call up'
any loco on your layout...it can run ONLY the TWO locos that you have PRE SET
on controls A and B. If you had a third loco you would have to remove the first
two FROM THE TRACK, eliminate one FROM A CONTROLLER, and PRE SET the new loco. This is very awkward and sure hinders convenient fun with your layout
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With the EZ (or any other standard DCC controller) when you get a 'new' loco,
you select an 'address' for it, follow your manual, and it is automatically in your controller roster along with all of your other locos.
You simply push the EZ # button for whatever loco from that roster you want
to run and it will be at your control. Any hand held would also have
access to your full loco roster.

It is true that they claim ability to add extra throttles, but
it still boils down to the fact that this device is intended for a very small
layout with only 2 locos. I can therefore, with even more enthusiasm endorse
the EZ DCC system over this one.

As I mentioned before, NCE produces fine DCC equipment. You would not
go wrong with any of their FULL FEATURE controllers. BUT NOT THE TWIN.

Don
 

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vette-kid -

Does your son have a smartphone?
Or a tablet?
iOS or Android? (doesn't matter which)

If so, do you think he'd like an app that looks like this on his phone?
(choose lights, sounds with icons, rather than trying to remember "which button is which"...)
View attachment 542305
Or, the same app with two controls side-by-side on a tablet?
View attachment 542306
And pick his engines this way?
View attachment 542307
IF so...
You can do this with a Digikeijs DR5000 or a Roco z21 (both running the free Roco z21 app in the pics above).
Here's what the z21 looks like (it uses the companion router for wifi):
View attachment 542308

The DR5000 comes with the router built-in and ready-to-go.
Cool, very cool; but no. He does have a tablet, but it's a kids tablet and very limited capability. I think this is one of those things where a starter system makes sense for now and of we really get into it we can reinvest in a few years in something more capable.

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After reading the manual for the NCE Twin, it is as I thought, unable to 'call up'
any loco on your layout...it can run ONLY the TWO locos that you have PRE SET
on controls A and B. If you had a third loco you would have to remove the first
two FROM THE TRACK, eliminate one FROM A CONTROLLER, and PRE SET the new loco. This is very awkward and sure hinders convenient fun with your layout
.
With the EZ (or any other standard DCC controller) when you get a 'new' loco,
you select an 'address' for it, follow your manual, and it is automatically in your controller roster along with all of your other locos.
You simply push the EZ # button for whatever loco from that roster you want
to run and it will be at your control. Any hand held would also have
access to your full loco roster.

It is true that they claim ability to add extra throttles, but
it still boils down to the fact that this device is intended for a very small
layout with only 2 locos. I can therefore, with even more enthusiasm endorse
the EZ DCC system over this one.

As I mentioned before, NCE produces fine DCC equipment. You would not
go wrong with any of their FULL FEATURE controllers. BUT NOT THE TWIN.

Don
Thanks for your input! I'm going to spend some time reading the two manuals. I do still love the dial dials on the NCE and I'm not sure how many trains we will realistically have to start with. Two DCC and two DC sounds like a full stain for me. Probably a drop in the bucket for many of you guys. I tend to over think things, so I'm going to go keep with that tradition!

On the Bachmann side, I can get a DCC/sounds F7(?) Train with cars and with the EZ command for about $160. So that makes a big difference too! Probably won't use three ez track as I have plenty of flat track, and I'm sure it won't be the most detailed, but it sounds like they are fairly reliable and a low cost entrance to DCC sound.

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The sound F7 loco. train and EZ DCC system for 160.00 is not a bad deal
at all. I had 2 of Bachmann's F7s, nice strong quiet locos. The F7 was one
of railroading's very popular locomotives a few years back. Good looking
and powerful from GM's Electromotive Division.

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Cool, very cool; but no. He does have a tablet, but it's a kids tablet and very limited capability. I think this is one of those things where a starter system makes sense for now and of we really get into it we can reinvest in a few years in something more capable.

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It does look very cool, granted. And if the flashy graphics are your cup of tea, you don't care about ergonomics, tactile feedback, or fine control, then that may be right up your alley. In which case, I would recommend it. For me, I find smartphones awkward, and tablets downright unmanageable as a throttle. Moreover, the only time I ever look at the throttle is to select a different loco. Everything else I do by touch. Throttle control, especially -- the getting the throttle exactly where you want it with a touch screen slider can be extremely touchy, even if you are looking at it. Before you get seduced by the flashy graphic interface, make sure you're ok with the potential drawbacks. And you really would need a separate smartphone (and charger). There is no way I would want my real smartphone, with all of its messages, notifications, etc., in front of me while I was trying to escape from the real world by running trains.
 

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I'm not familiar with the NCE DCC Twin so I checked on it.


NCE makes good stuff, but as far as I can tell, this unit does not seem to
be as flexible as the EZ system. I don't see any way to run more than 2 locos
with it, while with the EZ you can call from a roster of 10 locos and run 3
or even 4 at the same time. The likely
hood is great that as time moves on you'll want to add to the two initial
locos. Perhaps, you'll add a DCC decoder to the DC loco you have. This
is simple with the EZ.

If my reading of the link, as above, is correct, I would definitely prefer the
EZ DCC system that you can add a 2nd hand held controller. With the
EZ you can easily run 2 trains at the same time, even 3 or 4. You simply
press the number for the loco you want to run, say #2...then run up the speed
control. While the loco #2 is running, you press the button for the 2nd
loco, possibly #5, run up the speed control You have 2 running. You can simply
press the the 2 or the 5 buttons as you see something you want to change.
Simple. And if you add a hand held, it can run 2 or 3 more locos.

You can run train 2 with the Main controller while
your son has the hand held to run loco 5. It can get even more interesting.
Your son can run 2 trains on the hand held as you run 2 more from
the main.



Don
It seems the walk around controller for ez command is discontinued. Is there another handheld that will work with it?

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It seems the walk around controller for ez command is discontinued. Is there another handheld that will work with it?

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I doubt that any other brand's hand held would work with
the EZ. My brother has a surplus EZ system with an
additional hand held controller that He may want to sell. If
you are interested PM me and I'll put you in contact. It
is in perfect operating condition.

Don
 
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