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Tom, according to your pic the green had a variance. The top car is a darker color.

Another question - Do any of the legacy engines come with a remote like the FlyerChief.
 

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Mopac, if you look at the roof of the bottom car it appears darker than the sides. If fact, it is the same color. The picture was taken outside, mid afternoon, on the large white granite slab that covers our outdoor serving pantry. The white reflection is strongest on the bottom car, less so on the middle car. The color variance is an artifact of the reflections.
Legacy engines do not come with a remote. There are a number of ways to operate an S gauge Legacy engine. First is conventional with a transformer. They run very well this way and if a transformer with whistle and bell buttons is used many of the Legacy sound features can be activated.
Second, and best way is with a 990 base and Cab2. Unfortunately this system is no longer made and aftermarket prices are in fantasy land. The Cab1L is still made but a base is required, These activate many, but not all of the Legacy features. Third, an original Cab1 system can be used. These are long out of production. Fourth an iPhone can be used with the 990 base and the LCS WiFi module, Cab2 not required. Also, with the WiFi module an iPad can be used to run the engines after the free LCS app is downloaded.
Fifth, sometime early next year the new Base 3 will be shipped. With just this new base and an iPhone any Legacy engine or FlyerChief engine can be operated.
Sixth, S gauge Legacy engines can be operated with a DCC system and controller. It is important to know that while the newer S gauge FlyerChief engines have Bluetooth, the Legacy engines do not have Bluetooth.
After typing all this out I was thinking it sounds really complicated.
 

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I tried to recreate that picture in my office. Even there some light reflections exist from the large windows. Top to bottom is left to right. I think this does a better job of showing all three are the same color. The one of the stacked cars shows how much the apparent color is affected by light from the widows that are to the left of the cars.

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Tom I'd have to take a look at my 622's. 2 are on the layout and the nicer grade ones are in a glass case. I have 3 not so nice ones bought that way on purpose for the reason to be explained, setting as grain haulers by my grain elevator. Don't know if you or anybody else knows but in the 50's and early 60's box cars were used to haul grain. The side doors had boards stacked up and as the grain came in from the shute side another board was add to each side door opening. Eventually the door opposite the shute door was boarded to the top. The boards were never nailed. Always loose. When the grain got to the bottom of the shute it was pulled out and the last board on that side was put in place and the side door was shut. I once lived near a grain elevator so I saw this often. It was the TP&W.
In relation to Mopac's question, I have never seen a difference in the green color in the 622's I have. Just that stripe variance on both the painted and stamped versions.

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Tom, you are right, the green is the same on the 622s. Thanks for the Legacy info. I was looking at a Legacy Heritage Es44. Like new for 400.00. NKP unit. Nice looking engine. I am just not sure I want it. Does really not go with the 50s
stuff I mainly have. I have no newer rolling stock to go with it.. Will probably pass on it. I do want
a legacy steamer or 2 someday. I did lose a bundle at the casino last weekend. Could have bought a couple legacy steamers. Slowly learning to not give casino all my money. Not having
fun there lately. I would rather buy trains. I won 200 today but does not make up for last weekend. Can't buy anything for awhile. Need to leave something for my 2 sons. Down to one
retirement account. I had 3. All about the same amount. I do own my home so not broke yet. I
can live on what comes in each month. Just can't be stupid or buy much. Don't need much now,
I have lots of trains. I let the wife spend 180,000 on the house but she did some good things with it. Will I get all of it back when the house is sold,NO, but alot of it. Thats how remodeling goes. She got sick and I could no longer tell her NO. It made her happy so was worth it. I had the house before I had her and she really never felt like it was hers till she had the changes done. LOL, and that was for 40 years. Words of advice, let the woman pick out the house. I
thought she would be happy we had a house when we got married, NOPE, let the woman pick out the house.
 

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I use my ES44 to pull my PRR Budd car passenger train. I find it very easy to pretend the engine is in the correct era when it looks and runs so well. Ignorance is bliss? No one visiting my layout has ever told me it looks out of place, maybe they were being polite.
Be careful, buying Legacy engines is a slippery and very expensive slope. The only good thing might be Lionel does not make many S gauge Legacy engines. That is an American Models NH Pacific pulling the AM NH heavyweights in the background.
I am forever thankful that casinos and gambling do not call to me at all.

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Mopac, I am sure you made the right decisions while your wife was around. We always have to do the right things. When my wife's brother developed major medical and mobility issues we paid to partially remodel their house for accessibility so he could get out of the hospital. We have helped my son and family several times when some medical bills were about to break them, we bailed them out. This summer we paid to take the four of them back to Pittsburgh on vacation with us. Our philosophy is spend it now so we and our heirs can enjoy today rather than leave more to them a long time from now.
Inflation is really biting, and even if it magically stopped now the higher prices are baked in the economy.
 

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I have been lucky with medical bills and family. I know they can be devastating. My family just dies when it is time. No lingering. Most have lived well into their 80s.

Your pics are always so good. Is that PRR Es44 a Heritage unit? I guess it would be. Thanks for showing.
 

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Yes, it is a NS Heritage engine. 6-42554 from the 2016 catalog. I like it and run it frequently. For a great engine I can pretend it is period correct. It works better with passenger cars because the length of the engine is not so obvious as when it is coupled to a Gilbert 40' box car. If I want to pull a freight I put the PRR K-Line boxcar I purchased directly behind the engine. It is longer and taller than the Gilbert box cars so the appearance of the train is better.
 

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When I saw how few pictures I had of the PRR ES44Ac I shot a few more this afternoon. Some of them are posted below.
Mopac, if you can get the NPR for $400 maybe you should, it is a good price. There are not many Legacy engines made. Ro still has most road names in stock of the U36 for $500 which is smaller and fits in better with the era modeled. They also have SD70ACe's at $540 but these are very modern, big, and do not fit in at all even though I have four of them. It gets ugly real fast on the steam side of Legacy. Ro still has the new Pacifics for $630. The rerun of the Y3 will be out around the end of the year, they can still be reserved through Ro but the price is $1,620. If you want 4014, and who doesn't, there are some for sale on line but they will be at least $1,000 and those do not have the mandatory mods to run reliably. I had the mods done to my 4014, they cost about $400 for a professional to do them. They involve major surgery to create S gauge sideframes for all the trucks that came with O gauge sideframes, plus some electronic fixes.

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Tom sorry I forgot to answer your question about the DuPage show. yes there were some venders in the upper prking lot but there again not as many as were in the past. All were AF venders. The over all show did have plenty of AF venders.

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Nice cars Kenny. They are all painted so be careful cleaning them. The C&EI paint is easy to mess up when cleaning.
Thanks Tom. Yeah I knew they were all painted when I bought them. I worried about cleaning that C&EI the minute I bought it. It will be touchy. The nice graphics and the fact I didn't have any of those was why I bought them. Never have seen them without some of the graphics rub off. The bad part is the seller had at least a C-8 971 Type I unpainted Tuscan Moe and Joe with a nice box for $85.00! The vender took it out of the box for me so I could see the condition. He put it back in the box and put it down and we talked abit. As we were talking, I wasn't really paying attention to the table. At some point that 971 was picked up by another buyer and handed to the vender's helper. Nope I didn't get it.

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Shame about the boxed 971. I have had the same thing happen to me at a busy train meet. The paint on the CE&I seems to be more fragile than other cars.
I purchased an EX condition 24221 with unworn lettering in 8/2000. The only reason it was not LN was the box wear along the top edges of the car. That paint is very fragile. What called to me the most is the white box with the strong number stamp on the end flap. I wanted a 5 digit white box. At the time I only had 3 digit ones.

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