[DCC] Basic Decoders (8 Pin Wiring Instructions)..

Special Notes:
(#1)
All commercially made 8-Pin [DCC] decoders are "Manufactured" to NMRA (National Model Railroad Standards) wiring standards..
(#2)
All commercially made 8-Pin [DCC] decoders are "Wired" exactly the same..

Wiring Instructions: "From Locomotive"
= 8-Jack (Female Connector)..

Wiring Instructions: "From Decoder"
= 8-Pin (Male Connector)..

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Digitrax:
http://www.digitrax.com/
Does "Not" manufacture a [DCC] decoder (Without Sound)..

Actually, they do ..quite a few
You may have missed it because they call the NMRA 8 pin connector a Medium DCC Plug, which is the same .

The low cost choice there is the DH126P, retail $23.00, on ebay today starting from 16.99 ..
link to Digitrax page for this one:
http://www.digitrax.com/products/mobile-decoders/dh126p/


NCE have the D13SRP, again a low cost decoder with the 8 pin plug ..

As well, TCS have a few entry models, but the decoder to loco harness with a 8 pin plug is apparently a separate item

 

[wvgca] Cheaper [DCC] Decoders..

Actually, they do .. quite a few
You may have missed it because they call the NMRA 8 pin connector a Medium DCC Plug, which is the same..
DH166P, retail $23.00

--> On Ebay --> Starting from 16.99 = (+ Higher Bids To Come)..

[wvgca]: Questions
(#1)
Why are you posting "Old" outdated [DCC] decoders on Ebay ??
(#2)
Why have you "Not" even mentioned about your:
"Thread" --> Curious: making my own DCC decoder
http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=91449
Without any direct "Technical Help" ??
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I'm curious, ED-RRR. Do you argue with yourself and practice in a mirror?? Come on.

Peter

 

Post#1 should include" generally speaking" and " you may find some variations"
Post #4 should have said" thank you for the information, I was not aware of that"
None of us are perfect ED, not even you. It's okay to comment.Now you're dragging W's subject through 3 threads.

 

[HO] Scale:

Digitrax:
http://www.digitrax.com/
Does "Not" manufacture a [DCC] decoder (Without Sound)..

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As wvgca points out they make quite a range of non sound decoders. You are thinking of SOUNDTRAXX. Oh dear ED, I thought you only posted facts. Not very helpful for a beginner.

 

Sorry soundtraxx does make a DCC decoder that is non sound. MC2H1040P had to go look just to make sure you were posting facts.

 

How about Soundtrax:
https://tonystrains.com/product/soundtraxx-mc1h102p8-ho-scale-2-function-decoder-852001/

Or TCS :
https://tonystrains.com/product/tcs...roduct/tcs-1007-m1p-mh-2-function-micro-decoder-with-medium-harness-8-pin-plug/
https://tonystrains.com/product/train-control-systems-dp2x/

On TCS site:
http://tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Products/Decoders/HO-Scale/DP-Series/DP-Series.htm
Digitrax:
http://www.digitrax.com/products/mobile-decoders/dh165ip/

Even Bachmann has one:
http://www.trainworld.com/manufactu.../bachmann/e-z-command-1-amp-locomotive-95mm-decoder-with-nmra-8-pin-plug-44926/

There are more that you can find if you really searched.

http://billstrains.com/product.php?productid=18492&cat=542&page=1

 

Even More --> Cheaper [DCC] Basic Decoders (No Sound) Presently Available.. [HO] Scal

How about Soundtrax:
https://tonystrains.com/product/soundtraxx-mc1h102p8-ho-scale-2-function-decoder-852001/
Or TCS :
https://tonystrains.com/product/tcs...roduct/tcs-1007-m1p-mh-2-function-micro-decoder-with-medium-harness-8-pin-plug/
https://tonystrains.com/product/train-control-systems-dp2x/
On TCS site:
http://tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Products/Decoders/HO-Scale/DP-Series/DP-Series.htm
Digitrax:
http://www.digitrax.com/products/mobile-decoders/dh165ip/
Even Bachmann has one:
http://www.trainworld.com/manufactu.../bachmann/e-z-command-1-amp-locomotive-95mm-decoder-with-nmra-8-pin-plug-44926/

[Tom17]: Question
Why did you "Not" include the pricing ($'s) of each [DCC] decoder and if extra "Hardware" is required ??

How about SoundTraxx:
https://tonystrains.com/product/soundtraxx-mc1h102p8-ho-scale-2-function-decoder-852001/
Soundtraxx MC1H102P8 HO-scale, 2-Function Decoder 852001..
Also "Requires" a 8 plug wire harness..
= US $16.95

Or TCS :
https://tonystrains.com/product/tcs...roduct/tcs-1007-m1p-mh-2-function-micro-decoder-with-medium-harness-8-pin-plug/
= US $37.62
https://tonystrains.com/product/train-control-systems-dp2x/
Also "Requires" a 8 plug wire harness..
= US $29.55

On TCS site:
http://tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Products/Decoders/HO-Scale/DP-Series/DP-Series.htm
http://www.tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Products/Decoders/HO-Scale/HO Series.htm
Requires a 8 pin plug harness that TCS does "Not" sell..
The (DP2X) decoder..
= US $36.95

Even Bachmann has one:
http://www.trainworld.com/manufactu.../bachmann/e-z-command-1-amp-locomotive-95mm-decoder-with-nmra-8-pin-plug-44926/
Bachmann #44926
Price: $34.99

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gunrunnerjohn: Please don't ever block ED-RRR from the forum....his posts are the high point of my day (being comical here)!

I have so much fun tring to figure out what he's posting, that it's almost like a brain teaser puzzle that makes your mind work hard just to determine what he's talking about, let alone figuring out the sense of it.

I've been unable to determine ANY sense to his replies so far.........but I persist for some unknown reason....maybe because I'm retired and have alot of time to waste!

 

Excellent attitude!:appl:

Tom17, Are you implying that there MAY be people on this forum with intelligence and experience?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

I sure hope there are some on this site with intelligence and experience, that why I come to this site.
I have a Bachmann SD40-2 that has only the 8-Pin NMRA on it, so I did some research to find some decoders for it.
I used some of the same sites he did and found some that he missed.

 

I have a Bachmann SD40-2 that has only the 8-Pin NMRA on it, so I did some research to find some decoders for it.

Did you decide on a decoder for your SD40-2 ??
If so, would you mind sharing your reasons for that choice?
thanks

 

Did you [wvgca] do your homework before posting this ??

TCS
http://www.tcsdcc.com/
[HO] Scale..
http://www.tcsdcc.com/Customer_Conte...O%20Series.htm
The (DP2X) decoder is US $36.95
Requires a 8 pin plug harness that TCS does "Not" sell..

Attachment 220842

Why would you need an 8 pin plug harness for a decoder that's designed for direct plug in application, as your image shows?

 

Dumb Question ??

[HO] Scale:
There must be some new beginners trying to figure out how [DCC] locomotive decoders actually compare ($'s) to each other..
I hope some of this information will clarify some of your questions..
I will be "Only" posting "Basic" 8-Pin NMRA (National Model Railroad Standards) wiring standards..

[wvgca]:
Wake up and smell the coffee !!
I "Only" posted "Basic" 8-Pin NMRA (National Model Railroad Standards) wiring standards,
so "Beginners" using [DCC] can have a fully functional [DCC] decoder..
--> "Not" requiring any special "Soldering Connections" for the (x8) wires from the [DCC] decoder..

P.S.
I will "Not" waste any time or energy "Replying" to "Hecklers" in my [ED-RRR] "Thread"..
You know who you are, because you have "Not" posted" any actual [DCC] decoder "Facts"..
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May I borrow a shovel?

 

Just A Thought..

Why pay ($'s) for a (No Sound) "Basic" [DCC] decoder,
when you can purchase a "Sound Decoder" for just a few more ($'s)..

From my own experiences, there is nothing like having a model train locomotive passing by,
and having the locomotive giving off a "Real Miniature World Sound"..
- A diesel locomotive motor sound with a controlled bell & horn..
- A steam locomotive chuffing with a controlled bell & whistle..

MRC Sound Decoders.. From US $44.00 --> US $62.00.. (With Included Speaker)..
MRC #1730 = Diesel Sound
MRC #1731 = Steam Sound

P.S.
I will be also posting a new "Thread" about the "Cheapest" [DCC] "Sound Decoders"..
I will also anticipate all the "Negative Feedback" without any proven "Facts" to back up their "Postings"..

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From my own experiences, there is nothing like having a model train locomotive passing by,
and having the locomotive giving off a "Real Miniature World Sound"..
- A diesel locomotive motor sound with a controlled bell & horn..
- A steam locomotive chuffing with a controlled bell & whistle...

Since we have yet to see "anything" that reflects "your own experiences", it's hard to judge what they might be. All we see is criticism of other folks postings and copy-n-paste from the Internet.

I'll bet some might be interested in actually seeing what "your own experiences" look like.

 

Why post the price, you just needed to go to the site that has the price right on the page, plus some of the decoders plug right into the board and no wiring required, you just need to plug it in the correct way.

NOTE: The Green wire and Violet wire on this harness are "Not" used by this decoder.

Just like you posted in the first post
http://www.modelrectifier.com/product-p/0001651.htm


Everything that I have posted is correct and you don't believe it and it is right off the manufacturers own web-sites.

 

I thought this thread WAS about low cost DCC decoders? Why a new thread?

Maybe I am a --------> [ BEGINNER] "who" needs some {help}®


[ WVGCA] doesn't " mind" helping ( answer) others {questions}π


You [ED-RRR] don't really "want" to "help" anybody.


The [FACTS] are that you "berate" anyone who even -----------------> (asks) a simple "question"


[QUESTION] are you----------> (ED-RRR) more than > "6 feet+ 6 inches" [tall]?

 

[QUESTION] are you----------> (ED-RRR) more than > "6 feet+ 6 inches" [tall]?

And weigh 245?

 

Well I'm 6'. I figured Ed was taller than the rest of us, which would explain why he looks down on everybody else.

 

sigh.
guess I don't qualify ..

oh ,, you wondered why a new thread??
as far as I can tell, this one is about low cost non sound decoders only with Medium DCC / NEM 652 / NMRA 8pin compatabilty

Sure, why not?

 

This is how you install an 8-Pin NMRA decoder, no soldering, no wires using a TCS DP2x decoder

http://www.tcsdcc.com/Customer_Cont...lation_Pictures/HO_Scale/Athearn/SW1500_DCC_Ready/Athearn_SW1500_DCC_Ready.html

 

Isn't it amusing that page has a whole bunch of soldering tips when you don't solder to install the decoder?

 

ED-RRR
It was suggested to me that it might be good idea to use an oscilliscope to check some of the low cost decoders, maybe just to see how clean the output signals are ?
I don't think it's necessary personally, but wondering what your opinion would be on this?

 

You can't go suggesting that ED-RRR use an oscilloscope, he thinks that only "Electrical Engineers" have them and can use them, and that nobody in the model railroad hobby would possibly own an oscilloscope and know how to use it (even though many of us do own and use oscilloscopes all the time).

 

Who's driving this thing?!!:laugh: ,Low cost, may be available but probably won't fit, install with wire nuts, yeah it's in the catalog but you're a liar, invisible connector thread! :dunno:

I love it! I'm gettin' learned up!:goofball:


Looks like the OP needs a new copy and paste compass! He's marching us off a cliff!:rippedhand:

 

Simply WoW! Like others i am drawn to Mr. Eds posts. Not sure why however maybe because at one time he was a talking Horse! Mr. Ed you just keep right on entertaining us.

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Now he's just at the other end of the animal....

 

Blind Leading The Blind..

So this is what "Model Train Forum" has now become..
A "Multimedia" web site..
Forum Rules:
You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not intentionally post any material which is false,
defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening,
invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law.

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I appreciate all the " help" I've received on this thread. Of course I'm having to use the Braille app on my phone because not only am I blind I am also a moron.
I now know that I can only use domestic, low cost decoders with connectors that aren't there, and as long as I live within the confines of the North American continent I am included in the information available.
Also, foreign made decoders can't be used because they are foreign made, and even though there are connectors there are no connectors, which need soldered.
Further, though I may be on a budget, I have to spend more money to buy a decoder with sound and a speaker. I am not allowed to build my own decoder, either.
I apparently need an adapter harness, or plug to solder on as long as I don't solder.
Got it!

 

You mean like you constantly do! Just sayin.

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Remember this thread is about using the basic 8-Pin NMRA socket and no sound.

The DP2X will fit any locomotive that have the 8-Pin NMRA socket like my Bachmann SD40-2 which has only the 8-Pin NMRA.
The DP2X-UK is for UK model locomotives.
I copy and paste links to websites just like you do. Some like Athearn has the 8-Pin NMRA and the 9 pin also so do I have a choice of which decoder to use in it. If I what to I can change the whole board too.

 

More [DCC] Decoder Information.. (No Sound)..

Remember this thread is about using the basic 8-Pin NMRA socket and no sound.

The DP2X will fit any locomotive that have the 8-Pin NMRA socket like my Bachmann SD40-2 which has only the 8-Pin NMRA.
The DP2X-UK is for UK model locomotives.
I copy and paste links to websites just like you do.
Some like Athearn has the 8-Pin NMRA and the 9 pin also so do I have a choice of which decoder to use in it. If I what to I can change the whole board too.

Warning:
Many [DCC] decoder manufactures no longer post "Instructions" on the internet, because the required instructions are being constantly "Changed"..
The required [DCC] instructions are "Only" included with the purchased [DCC] decoder package..

Special Note:
--> TCS DP2X Digital Decoder (No Sound) = Retail price US $36.95
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[wvgca]: Question
Did you actually read and understand my [ED-RR] postings ??
- Posting #41
- Posting #42

This thread had specific decoder requirements in the first post..
A] Low Cost
B] Readily Available
C] Used only the NMRA 8 pin plug ..

The TCS model / version that YOU posted an image of clearly meets those requirements ...
Unless there are other requirements that you decided not to specify??
Also, I assume that you realize that the only main difference there is between that series of TCS decoder between the North American and European versions is the orientation of the connector plug, you can call it a NMRA 8 pin, or NEM 652, I call it a Medium DCC

 

Cheapest Basic [DCC] Decoder..

This thread had specific decoder requirements in the first post..
A] Low Cost
B] Readily Available
C] Used only the NMRA 8 pin plug ..

The TCS model / version that YOU posted an image of clearly meets those requirements ...

[wvgca]: Question
Where did I [ED-RRR] ever post that that a TCS [DCC] decoder..(DP2X) decoder,
clearly met my requirements for a basic a cheap ($'s) [DCC] decoder ??

(DP2X) [DCC] Decoder:
TCS [DCC] decoder.. (DP2X) decoder..
Retail Price = US $36.95

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So,Warren. What occurred between post #1 and post# 54 to qualify those criteria?

 

No idea really,:stroke:

But as near as I can figure out, an additional 'requirement" was apparantly added some where [ without being actually specified] that decoders either have to have a 'wire harness, either factory fitted, or as an available factory option ., to qualify for being considered in this thread ...

And so 'direct plug in' decoders meeting the NMRA specification for the 8 pin plug format, may not qualify ...

If it matters, I don't have any TCS brand decoders, nor any 'direct plug in style decoders, never have as far as I recall

Being curious though, I would like to hook up a scope, and see if there is any degradation of DCC signal, by checking the decoder and NMRA plug simultaneously, with possible harness lengths from one to six inches, as commonly fitted ..
If there is any measurable difference, it may possibly imply that the 'direct plug in' style may be preferable to a harness fitted style

 

It is certain that being able to "see" wave form and voltage characteristics via an O- scope can be very beneficial. Actually it might be good to start a thread on the subject.
Extremely advanced stuff!

 

W, If I remember right you have a dual trace, don't you? Even a single trace would be fine for advanced electronics.
It would be good to see both the track AC, and the DC simultaneously. Eliminate a lot of backpedaling.
Maybe you could snapshot some of your home brew decoder results.